Concern of how the Elementary Study will affect Fields Road

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Cold Spring winds up assigned to a third middle school and high school within the span of a decade (CJMS/Wootton then Hoover/Churchill then JWMS/RM) they have every right to be big mad.

I bet they’d just send all of new Ritchie Park (incl Cold Spring) to Hoover and then RM.

Another reason that they should move Stone Mill back to CJMS. No one needs Hoover with a 3 way split (Wootton, Churchill, and then RM.)

Actually what should be lobbied for is getting Frost MS to get to use current Wootton building as a holding school, then rebuild Frost as a larger building that can house all of Wootton. Then, send Ritchie Park (incl. the Cold Spring people) to Hoover so that it doesn't become under enrolled and perhaps some Whitman ES to Cabin John to not have Pyle be over-crowded.

Cabin John and Hoover are honestly way far for both Stone Mill and Travilah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Cold Spring winds up assigned to a third middle school and high school within the span of a decade (CJMS/Wootton then Hoover/Churchill then JWMS/RM) they have every right to be big mad.

I bet they’d just send all of new Ritchie Park (incl Cold Spring) to Hoover and then RM.

Another reason that they should move Stone Mill back to CJMS. No one needs Hoover with a 3 way split (Wootton, Churchill, and then RM.)

Actually what should be lobbied for is getting Frost MS to get to use current Wootton building as a holding school, then rebuild Frost as a larger building that can house all of Wootton. Then, send Ritchie Park (incl. the Cold Spring people) to Hoover so that it doesn't become under enrolled and perhaps some Whitman ES to Cabin John to not have Pyle be over-crowded.

Cabin John and Hoover are honestly way far for both Stone Mill and Travilah.

I mean, sure, if only a couple hundred million appeared from thin air.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Cold Spring winds up assigned to a third middle school and high school within the span of a decade (CJMS/Wootton then Hoover/Churchill then JWMS/RM) they have every right to be big mad.

I bet they’d just send all of new Ritchie Park (incl Cold Spring) to Hoover and then RM.

Another reason that they should move Stone Mill back to CJMS. No one needs Hoover with a 3 way split (Wootton, Churchill, and then RM.)

Actually what should be lobbied for is getting Frost MS to get to use current Wootton building as a holding school, then rebuild Frost as a larger building that can house all of Wootton. Then, send Ritchie Park (incl. the Cold Spring people) to Hoover so that it doesn't become under enrolled and perhaps some Whitman ES to Cabin John to not have Pyle be over-crowded.

Cabin John and Hoover are honestly way far for both Stone Mill and Travilah.

I mean, sure, if only a couple hundred million appeared from thin air.

The idea also makes too much sense, so of course BOE would never

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Closing Dufief and sending it to QO is tricky. There won't be room in the middle schools as there is now way they are leaving both Ridgeview and Lakelands open at at 50ish% utilization for both.

Maybe Dufief closes but and gets sent to Stone Mill/ Travilah- it would have to be split up as neither school can hold all of Dufief. Less likely for Dufief to be sent elsewhere.

Honestly I'm not so sure Dufief will close- it's had decent amount of renovation lately so not a super low FCI. I think it's more likely Washingtonian Woods gets moved to Dufief to make more room at Fields for the island reassignments.

Why was Brown Station moved out of QO then?

[Anonymous]

They will pay million of dollars for the elementary boundary study and at the last moment go with Option X. There is no reason to try to figure out what Hurricane Taylor and the eight horseman of the Apocalypse will do. You will not be able to predict it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing Dufief and sending it to QO is tricky. There won't be room in the middle schools as there is now way they are leaving both Ridgeview and Lakelands open at at 50ish% utilization for both.

Maybe Dufief closes but and gets sent to Stone Mill/ Travilah- it would have to be split up as neither school can hold all of Dufief. Less likely for Dufief to be sent elsewhere.

Honestly I'm not so sure Dufief will close- it's had decent amount of renovation lately so not a super low FCI. I think it's more likely Washingtonian Woods gets moved to Dufief to make more room at Fields for the island reassignments.

Why was Brown Station moved out of QO then?

If they had the intention to move Dufief into QO they easily could have just done so with the high school boundary study. Instead they had Dufief at Crown or Wootton in all options. What’s the point of waiting until the elem study with some secret ulterior motive?

[Anonymous]

I don’t think Cold spring will move to RPES and to RM. it will stay in Potomac, maybe split between Beverly farm and wayside, both have rooms for more students. It is assigned to Churchill for this round. I think it will remain that way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Cold spring will move to RPES and to RM. it will stay in Potomac, maybe split between Beverly farm and wayside, both have rooms for more students. It is assigned to Churchill for this round. I think it will remain that way.

I see where you are coming from but Ritchie Park is about to lose the entire Fallsmead island and can't retain enough students to stay open if it does not absorb at least a significant portion of a neighboring school. In this case, Cold Spring is the most logical one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing Dufief and sending it to QO is tricky. There won't be room in the middle schools as there is now way they are leaving both Ridgeview and Lakelands open at at 50ish% utilization for both.

Maybe Dufief closes but and gets sent to Stone Mill/ Travilah- it would have to be split up as neither school can hold all of Dufief. Less likely for Dufief to be sent elsewhere.

Honestly I'm not so sure Dufief will close- it's had decent amount of renovation lately so not a super low FCI. I think it's more likely Washingtonian Woods gets moved to Dufief to make more room at Fields for the island reassignments.

Why was Brown Station moved out of QO then?

If they had the intention to move Dufief into QO they easily could have just done so with the high school boundary study. Instead they had Dufief at Crown or Wootton in all options. What’s the point of waiting until the elem study with some secret ulterior motive?

Not really the same ball game. At the same time, two of options 1-4 had DuFief moving to QO. It really depends on if DuFief closes or not. If it does, I'd bet at the very least the portion of Westleigh to the north of 28 could be reassigned to QO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Closing Dufief and sending it to QO is tricky. There won't be room in the middle schools as there is now way they are leaving both Ridgeview and Lakelands open at at 50ish% utilization for both.

Maybe Dufief closes but and gets sent to Stone Mill/ Travilah- it would have to be split up as neither school can hold all of Dufief. Less likely for Dufief to be sent elsewhere.

Honestly I'm not so sure Dufief will close- it's had decent amount of renovation lately so not a super low FCI. I think it's more likely Washingtonian Woods gets moved to Dufief to make more room at Fields for the island reassignments.

Why was Brown Station moved out of QO then?

If they had the intention to move Dufief into QO they easily could have just done so with the high school boundary study. Instead they had Dufief at Crown or Wootton in all options. What’s the point of waiting until the elem study with some secret ulterior motive?

Not really the same ball game. At the same time, two of options 1-4 had DuFief moving to QO. It really depends on if DuFief closes or not. If it does, I'd bet at the very least the portion of Westleigh to the north of 28 could be reassigned to QO.

They also moved the rest of Diamond in when they moved BSES out and are projecting QO will be over 95% capacity in 2027, just slightly higher than Crown. Doesn’t mean they don’t end up moving some Wootton kids out around the edges as they try to address the Churchill overcrowding, but they’re not dealing with huge amounts of space to fill at most of the high schools so any more significant move will cause a ripple effect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Cold Spring winds up assigned to a third middle school and high school within the span of a decade (CJMS/Wootton then Hoover/Churchill then JWMS/RM) they have every right to be big mad.

I bet they’d just send all of new Ritchie Park (incl Cold Spring) to Hoover and then RM.

Another reason that they should move Stone Mill back to CJMS. No one needs Hoover with a 3 way split (Wootton, Churchill, and then RM.)

Actually what should be lobbied for is getting Frost MS to get to use current Wootton building as a holding school, then rebuild Frost as a larger building that can house all of Wootton. Then, send Ritchie Park (incl. the Cold Spring people) to Hoover so that it doesn't become under enrolled and perhaps some Whitman ES to Cabin John to not have Pyle be over-crowded.

Cabin John and Hoover are honestly way far for both Stone Mill and Travilah.

I mean, sure, if only a couple hundred million appeared from thin air.

The idea also makes too much sense, so of course BOE would never

They will need to close at least one current middle school due to severe underenrollment. Where is the sense in investing millions to expand another?!?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They will pay million of dollars for the elementary boundary study and at the last moment go with Option X. There is no reason to try to figure out what Hurricane Taylor and the eight horseman of the Apocalypse will do. You will not be able to predict it.

Wait, I can. Don’t they…bring the apocalypse? I guess it would be pretty surprising if Famine showed up and was like “I will rain down 4 mile bus rides upon all of you!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi everyone,

Writing here because I’d like everyone’s thoughts. I’ve seen a lot of fear-mongering about Fields Road recently, with people suggesting it’s going to bring down the quality of Wootton @ Crown.

I’m writing here now with somewhat of the opposite concern: my worry is that following the next Elementary School study Fields Road could become essentially gentrified and sections of it that are currently less affluent could be reassigned to Summit Hall or another Gaithersburg High ES feeder.

Here’s my reasoning:

Fields Road is already over-crowded, but once Downtown Crown is removed from the Rosemont island, part of it will likely have to move into Fields Road. If that’s the case, they might have to move out the families that live north of Fields Road ES along Muddy Branch Road to make room for newcomers. This is even more likely to be the case if they decide to close to DuFief, as that will require redistricting of DuFief’s current area to a split between Stone Mill, Rachel Carson, and Travilah, which would take up any available space to move Downtown Crown people to Stone Mill as opposed to Fields Road. Lakewood will also not have room if they’re taking on people from Fallsgrove as many think will be the case.

Additional to this is that removing Downtown Crown from Rosemont is going to put pressure to increase the cachement area of Gaithersburg HS elementary schools to keep them open.

And I know some believe some new elementary school is about to be built on Key West Ave but that’s not in the CIP right now so don’t think that’s an out here.

My concern about this has increased seeing how casual and confident MCPS was in screwing over Brown Station last minute. They’re currently acting like Wootton @ Crown is some redistribution - esque event, but with this next study I wonder if they’re just going to essentially find the way of making it revert to being pretty much demographically analogous to how Wootton is now.

It’s also been interesting to me to see that, for all the talk of Wootton housing values dropping, there hasn’t been nearly as much around FRES housing prices rising. Curious to what extent FRES neighborhoods include subsidized housing where there might be some stability and to what extent it might also be gentrifying the old fashioned way, not from boundary reassessments (or at least not solely - I hear you on Brown Station) but from lower income families getting priced out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi everyone,

Writing here because I’d like everyone’s thoughts. I’ve seen a lot of fear-mongering about Fields Road recently, with people suggesting it’s going to bring down the quality of Wootton @ Crown.

I’m writing here now with somewhat of the opposite concern: my worry is that following the next Elementary School study Fields Road could become essentially gentrified and sections of it that are currently less affluent could be reassigned to Summit Hall or another Gaithersburg High ES feeder.

Here’s my reasoning:

Fields Road is already over-crowded, but once Downtown Crown is removed from the Rosemont island, part of it will likely have to move into Fields Road. If that’s the case, they might have to move out the families that live north of Fields Road ES along Muddy Branch Road to make room for newcomers. This is even more likely to be the case if they decide to close to DuFief, as that will require redistricting of DuFief’s current area to a split between Stone Mill, Rachel Carson, and Travilah, which would take up any available space to move Downtown Crown people to Stone Mill as opposed to Fields Road. Lakewood will also not have room if they’re taking on people from Fallsgrove as many think will be the case.

Additional to this is that removing Downtown Crown from Rosemont is going to put pressure to increase the cachement area of Gaithersburg HS elementary schools to keep them open.

And I know some believe some new elementary school is about to be built on Key West Ave but that’s not in the CIP right now so don’t think that’s an out here.

My concern about this has increased seeing how casual and confident MCPS was in screwing over Brown Station last minute. They’re currently acting like Wootton @ Crown is some redistribution - esque event, but with this next study I wonder if they’re just going to essentially find the way of making it revert to being pretty much demographically analogous to how Wootton is now.

It’s also been interesting to me to see that, for all the talk of Wootton housing values dropping, there hasn’t been nearly as much around FRES housing prices rising. Curious to what extent FRES neighborhoods include subsidized housing where there might be some stability and to what extent it might also be gentrifying the old fashioned way, not from boundary reassessments (or at least not solely - I hear you on Brown Station) but from lower income families getting priced out.

It's a great question and I think the concern there is real. I do believe there are a good deal of renting families on the north end of the FRES district, so that could absolutely become a problem if landlords begin responding to that. Washingtonian Woods is almost sure to become a great deal pricier with this change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think Cold spring will move to RPES and to RM. it will stay in Potomac, maybe split between Beverly farm and wayside, both have rooms for more students. It is assigned to Churchill for this round. I think it will remain that way.

I see where you are coming from but Ritchie Park is about to lose the entire Fallsmead island and can't retain enough students to stay open if it does not absorb at least a significant portion of a neighboring school. In this case, Cold Spring is the most logical one.

What are you talking about? How is RPES losing Fallsmead island?