Integration of church and state in our military

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Put Church vs State aside for the moment. That commander said that the goal of the war was to annihilate all of humanity!

+1 Which, by the way, literally no sane mainstream religion in the world advocates for -- this not a religion, it's a fringe nightmare cult lead by fakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Christians” who try to engineer the apocalypse are so weird.

Even if Jesus really is set to return when the world ends, that doesn’t mean he’ll reward the people who tried to speed up the process. I’m pretty sure causing mass death and destruction is a sin. Hell, excitement at someone else causing it is a sin. Cheering it on because you think you’ll get to meet sexy white Jesus is the kind of greedy behavior that will make sure you don’t get raptured.

It would be a mistake to think that eschatological accelerationism is limited to Christians.

And frankly, I think it is a mistake to call them Christians, which they clearly are not, but are using that lable as a veil to make sheeple around the world hold their tongues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother-in-law is an Army officer who happens to be an atheist - but doesn't say the quiet part out loud. His dog tags say "Catholic."


It's not a good sign when this happened while Obama was president...

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2015/06/18/navy-lawyers-defend-rejection-of-atheist-chaplain/

And it’s not a good sign that in the face of empowering white Christian nationalists you bring up a tangentially related but mostly irrelevant concern here — just so you can say: but Obama!

Any thoughts on the white Christian nationalist stuff that’s happening now, quite deliberately, on an unprecedented scale? Or would you rather shift the discussion to why, several years ago, someone made the not unreasonable decision that the “chaplain” category not be extended to include an atheist? Let’s deflect, shall we? SMH

This is laughable. You can neither point to this so called "white Christian nationalist" stuff, nor measure it. It is a boogeyman in your head. I look forward to your response that will be something like "All you have to do is open your eyes" or some other fluff to make you feel good.

I don’t have to point to it. It’s in the original post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

Please enlighten me then……

In my 63 years I’ve seen far more bad than good in the name of some man in the sky

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

Please enlighten me then……

In my 63 years I’ve seen far more bad than good in the name of some man in the sky

NP. Ditto. But, a decade younger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

Please enlighten me then……

In my 63 years I’ve seen far more bad than good in the name of some man in the sky

It's the "in the name of" part. Everything being done by politicians and governments "in the name of" any given religion tends to actually be against that religion. Nonreligious people are using religion as a cloak or a veil to their evil purposes. I believe it's the liars you are mad at, not any particular religion itself; for any religion you choose to name there will be more people who identify with that religion who are on your side of whatever political issue is being discussed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

Could be possible if religious folks did not proselytize in professional workplace, so maybe call your reps and complain about what was described in the article as well as Hegseth's proselytizing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My brother-in-law is an Army officer who happens to be an atheist - but doesn't say the quiet part out loud. His dog tags say "Catholic."

It's not a good sign when this happened while Obama was president...

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2015/06/18/navy-lawyers-defend-rejection-of-atheist-chaplain/

That's not remotely similar. Freedom of religion has always been held, by government, to be freedom from any compulsion to religion. It is not a prohibition on providing optional religious services to those who desire it, nor is it a requirement to provide any non-religiois service.

Atheist chaplains are welcome in the military but they need a religious endorsement from some religious training in order to be hired as a religious services provider.

The distinction between religion and philosophy, while intellectually specious, has nonetheless never been legally banned.

And any philosophy is protected as a religion as long as it williing to say "I am a religion". Unitarian Universalism and Buddhism are approved, as long as chaplains came to be spiritual.

If your spiritual philosophy is simply the philosophy of non spirituality, then that's your right, but you don't need a chaplain and the chaplain corps doesn't need you, so there's no reason for a atheist soldier to ask for a chaplain or for an atheist to apply for a job they are not trained for and don't want to perform. If you want to be a therapist or social worker, apply for that role, and push for the military to hire more of those, for everyone regardless of religion or non.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Christians” who try to engineer the apocalypse are so weird.

Even if Jesus really is set to return when the world ends, that doesn’t mean he’ll reward the people who tried to speed up the process. I’m pretty sure causing mass death and destruction is a sin. Hell, excitement at someone else causing it is a sin. Cheering it on because you think you’ll get to meet sexy white Jesus is the kind of greedy behavior that will make sure you don’t get raptured.

It would be a mistake to think that eschatological accelerationism is limited to Christians.

Within our military? Yes, it is limited to Christians.

Within the world? No. But this thread is about our military.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother-in-law is an Army officer who happens to be an atheist - but doesn't say the quiet part out loud. His dog tags say "Catholic."


It's not a good sign when this happened while Obama was president...

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2015/06/18/navy-lawyers-defend-rejection-of-atheist-chaplain/

And it’s not a good sign that in the face of empowering white Christian nationalists you bring up a tangentially related but mostly irrelevant concern here — just so you can say: but Obama!

Any thoughts on the white Christian nationalist stuff that’s happening now, quite deliberately, on an unprecedented scale? Or would you rather shift the discussion to why, several years ago, someone made the not unreasonable decision that the “chaplain” category not be extended to include an atheist? Let’s deflect, shall we? SMH

This is laughable. You can neither point to this so called "white Christian nationalist" stuff, nor measure it. It is a boogeyman in your head. I look forward to your response that will be something like "All you have to do is open your eyes" or some other fluff to make you feel good.

From Hegseth's speech yesterday:

We share the same interests, and, because of this, we face an essential test – whether our nations will be and remain Western nations with distinct characteristics, Christian nations under God

https://www.war.gov/News/Speeches/Speech/Article/4424673/remarks-by-secretary-of-war-pete-hegseth-at-the-americas-counter-cartel-confere/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My brother-in-law is an Army officer who happens to be an atheist - but doesn't say the quiet part out loud. His dog tags say "Catholic."

It's not a good sign when this happened while Obama was president...

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2015/06/18/navy-lawyers-defend-rejection-of-atheist-chaplain/

That's not remotely similar. Freedom of religion has always been held, by government, to be freedom from any compulsion to religion. It is not a prohibition on providing optional religious services to those who desire it, nor is it a requirement to provide any non-religiois service.

Atheist chaplains are welcome in the military but they need a religious endorsement from some religious training in order to be hired as a religious services provider.

The distinction between religion and philosophy, while intellectually specious, has nonetheless never been legally banned.

And any philosophy is protected as a religion as long as it williing to say "I am a religion". Unitarian Universalism and Buddhism are approved, as long as chaplains came to be spiritual.

If your spiritual philosophy is simply the philosophy of non spirituality, then that's your right, but you don't need a chaplain and the chaplain corps doesn't need you, so there's no reason for a atheist soldier to ask for a chaplain or for an atheist to apply for a job they are not trained for and don't want to perform. If you want to be a therapist or social worker, apply for that role, and push for the military to hire more of those, for everyone regardless of religion or non.

Atheism is a belief system like any other. If you believe in a Sky Fairy and that gets you a Sky Fairy advisor to bring you comfort, believing that there is no Sky Fairy should entitle you to a similar support.

[Anonymous]

Isn’t Israel the US’s state’s official religion now?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why isn’t this being reported by mainstream media outfits. Isn’t one of our founding principles is separation of church and state?

It's been in the news almost every week the erosion of these principals. Read a variety of news sources-it's been in the news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US is now exactly what we accuse Muslim groups/countures of being - insane, murderous religious fundamentalists. The older I get, the more I hate religion!

You are hating the wrong part.

Please enlighten me then……

In my 63 years I’ve seen far more bad than good in the name of some man in the sky

It's the "in the name of" part. Everything being done by politicians and governments "in the name of" any given religion tends to actually be against that religion. Nonreligious people are using religion as a cloak or a veil to their evil purposes. I believe it's the liars you are mad at, not any particular religion itself; for any religion you choose to name there will be more people who identify with that religion who are on your side of whatever political issue is being discussed.

Oh so you are trotting out the “no true scotsman” argument which is lame and BS. Try again and next time make a rational point.