What separates the students who get into state flagships versus those who get into T20 universities?

[Anonymous]

Kids at T20s also get into state flagships. Some choose the latter.

My firstborn is at an Ivy. My second born had the same choices and chose the state flagship.

[Anonymous]

OP was asking non-overlapping cases so stop saying there is plenty of overlap. OP asked for the reason why someone only got into state flagships but not T20.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

+1 and Cornell doesn’t count, it’s the only Ivy with undergrad numbers the same as UVA.

[Anonymous]

$$$. That's your answer. $$$.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

In-state UVA acceptance rates are 23-25%
Ivies 3-5%

Out-of-state admission to UvA, sure. But not all of the in-state admits.

[Anonymous]

Nearly every competitive student at T20s also applies to their state schools. And increasingly often, those top students will choose their public option, especially if it's Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Michigan, UVA, and many others. And the reason is cost. A student getting into Princeton likely is getting a full ride at their state flagship. That's a $300-$400,000 savings right there. Lots of families are making that choice today.

As for difference in admissions, public schools remain very stat driven. A high GPA and high test scores pretty much guarantees admission. Whereas at the T20 schools, high stats are just the beginning. A student's ECs, essays, and LORs is what sets them apart.

[Anonymous]

Depends. Many of these "top 20" of which you speak are Test Optional. On the other hand, many Top Publics are test required. Many getting into your "top 20" TO with low scores wouldn't be able to sniff a top public which is test required. In these situations, getting into the Top 20 TO is much easier. So, it all depends.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Kids at T20s also get into state flagships. Some choose the latter.

My firstborn is at an Ivy. My second born had the same choices and chose the state flagship.

Yes, I have a son who was admitted to an Ivy and chose UVA. His freshman roommate's final two choices were UVA and Hopkins and he chose UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

8 total that were accepted to both UVA and an Ivy? Or 8 total Ivy acceptances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly every competitive student at T20s also applies to their state schools. And increasingly often, those top students will choose their public option, especially if it's Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Michigan, UVA, and many others. And the reason is cost. A student getting into Princeton likely is getting a full ride at their state flagship. That's a $300-$400,000 savings right there. Lots of families are making that choice today.

As for difference in admissions, public schools remain very stat driven. A high GPA and high test scores pretty much guarantees admission. Whereas at the T20 schools, high stats are just the beginning. A student's ECs, essays, and LORs is what sets them apart.

How is a competitive student "likely getting a full ride at their state flagship?"

What are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

8 total that were accepted to both UVA and an Ivy? Or 8 total Ivy acceptances.

It is 100% true. There's another DMV private where this happened last year as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

8 total that were accepted to both UVA and an Ivy? Or 8 total Ivy acceptances.

At our DC private there were 20+ Ivy acceptances. Not sure what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nearly every competitive student at T20s also applies to their state schools. And increasingly often, those top students will choose their public option, especially if it's Berkeley, UCLA, Georgia Tech, Michigan, UVA, and many others. And the reason is cost. A student getting into Princeton likely is getting a full ride at their state flagship. That's a $300-$400,000 savings right there. Lots of families are making that choice today.

As for difference in admissions, public schools remain very stat driven. A high GPA and high test scores pretty much guarantees admission. Whereas at the T20 schools, high stats are just the beginning. A student's ECs, essays, and LORs is what sets them apart.

That’s not how the top flagships work. I don’t think a CA kid accepted to UCB and Princeton is getting much of anything from UCB unless they are poor (in which case, both would be free).

UVA and UMD may be different…I think UMD competes more fiercely for their kids to stay in state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What makes you think anything does? You are under the delusion that on group is better than the other.

+1. For top flagships, there is also a lot of overlap with students who get into both.

There is a lot of overlap. At our DC private, every single kid who got into UVA last year EA or RD also got into an Ivy.

Bullsh@t. My kid is at a DC private. Many (most) of the UVA admits did not get into an Ivy. Ivy acceptances are so rare. In a county with 2,000 seniors, there were like 8 total between 4 high schools.

8 total that were accepted to both UVA and an Ivy? Or 8 total Ivy acceptances.

It is 100% true. There's another DMV private where this happened last year as well.

What’s 100% true?