WSJ: Americans are leaving the US in record numbers

[Anonymous]

I could leave and go to the country my parents came from and retire comfortably at 41, or maybe work part time. I’ve noticed more people are taking this approach despite the quality of life issues there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:America is the land where you make money. That's it.

We made our millions and will probably move to another country when the youngest finishes college in a few years. I have a friend who moved several years ago to Europe, and they *love* it. No shooter drills for their kids in school, reasonable healthcare costs, laid back lifestyle, so much traveling. I'm so jealous when I look at their social media.

Americans collectively are stressed out because of the gun violence and now, violence from our own government against our own citizens. We have very little work/life balance. Crap social safety nets.

America is only great if you have money, as a PP stated.

Honestly I think this is how the entire world sees us. We have a money hungry culture and everyone knows it. Our healthcare system exposes it in the worst way, we are willing to squeeze the last dime out of our sickest and our poorest.

Another thing is that 50% of the income tax people are paying today is going to just interest on the debt. No republican or democrat wants to touch that. The light at the end of the tunnel is a train.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As soon as I retire I am leaving. Plan in hand already. The US just isn't fun or pleasant anymore.

I said the same thing. Then investigated more fully and changed my mind. If you have family & friends overseas it might make sense. But uprooting your entire social structure in older age and moving to a foreign country is a huge risk. If you don’t have family overseas you will never fit into the local culture, and will grow old as an outsider.

I wonder if we are going to see this as a growing option since the amount of childless adults is growing.

This. Question is how do other countries feel about American enclaves forming in and around their cities? Will they be ok with us showing up with money but imposing our language and culture? Look how some in this country have responded to immigrants, even those with money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as I retire I am leaving. Plan in hand already. The US just isn't fun or pleasant anymore.

I said the same thing. Then investigated more fully and changed my mind. If you have family & friends overseas it might make sense. But uprooting your entire social structure in older age and moving to a foreign country is a huge risk. If you don’t have family overseas you will never fit into the local culture, and will grow old as an outsider.

I wonder if we are going to see this as a growing option since the amount of childless adults is growing.

This. Question is how do other countries feel about American enclaves forming in and around their cities? Will they be ok with us showing up with money but imposing our language and culture? Look how some in this country have responded to immigrants, even those with money.

If I were a citizen of a country facing an invasion of a large amount of American people, I wouldn't be happy considering many of these Americans are the same stupid and gullible people who were duped into thinking Trump and Biden should be the most powerful person on Earth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd leave if I could. It's not that I hate the US nor current situation politically, although I do think current path of the US is on the way down.

It's more that in being educated in how life is lived in other countries, I think I'd be personally happier.

Culturally and economically, my ambitions of wanting to be rich and powerful are not aligned with the American necessity for success at all costs. It's a personal decision of course, and it doesn't mean I want to live in any other country in the world but maybe there are options offering me more fulfillment.

I've learned that the US is not the only country in the world that offers happiness, it's not exclusively the best country in the world to live for 100% of humans and that the US is about one thing and that is success, hard stop.

Without money, life in the US sucks. Without money, life in some other countries may be possible. When you compare their lifestyle to an average American one, it looks different. But when you see that they have community, a safety net of healthcare, infrastructure, public transportation, less choices in opportunity but more basic needs fulfilled, it's not horrible.

The economic pressures of living in the US will grow and unless you're willing to meet them, it is harder than simply enjoying a less opulent lifestyle but maybe one that is more content. For some, it aligns with their desires, for me, I can be happier with less. I just want to eat deliciously, have a place to rest, friends who are with me often and do something I'm good at and enjoy.

A small life but one that is enough for me. In the US, it's impossible without employer sponsored health insurance so right there, I'm done for! Lol

Yes, I think many people want to be taken care of by their government.

"Many people" are still working in those other countries with better social safety net than ours. They have work/life balance and are less stressed out than we are. SGTM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as I retire I am leaving. Plan in hand already. The US just isn't fun or pleasant anymore.

I said the same thing. Then investigated more fully and changed my mind. If you have family & friends overseas it might make sense. But uprooting your entire social structure in older age and moving to a foreign country is a huge risk. If you don’t have family overseas you will never fit into the local culture, and will grow old as an outsider.

I wonder if we are going to see this as a growing option since the amount of childless adults is growing.

This. Question is how do other countries feel about American enclaves forming in and around their cities? Will they be ok with us showing up with money but imposing our language and culture? Look how some in this country have responded to immigrants, even those with money.

If I were a citizen of a country facing an invasion of a large amount of American people, I wouldn't be happy considering many of these Americans are the same stupid and gullible people who were duped into thinking Trump and Biden should be the most powerful person on Earth.

Just watch, in years to come the Europeans will be ranting against all the disgusting, bloated Americans clogging up their streets the way their fast food clogs up their arteries, and is now clogging up the lines at the ERs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd leave if I could. It's not that I hate the US nor current situation politically, although I do think current path of the US is on the way down.

It's more that in being educated in how life is lived in other countries, I think I'd be personally happier.

Culturally and economically, my ambitions of wanting to be rich and powerful are not aligned with the American necessity for success at all costs. It's a personal decision of course, and it doesn't mean I want to live in any other country in the world but maybe there are options offering me more fulfillment.

I've learned that the US is not the only country in the world that offers happiness, it's not exclusively the best country in the world to live for 100% of humans and that the US is about one thing and that is success, hard stop.

Without money, life in the US sucks. Without money, life in some other countries may be possible. When you compare their lifestyle to an average American one, it looks different. But when you see that they have community, a safety net of healthcare, infrastructure, public transportation, less choices in opportunity but more basic needs fulfilled, it's not horrible.

The economic pressures of living in the US will grow and unless you're willing to meet them, it is harder than simply enjoying a less opulent lifestyle but maybe one that is more content. For some, it aligns with their desires, for me, I can be happier with less. I just want to eat deliciously, have a place to rest, friends who are with me often and do something I'm good at and enjoy.

A small life but one that is enough for me. In the US, it's impossible without employer sponsored health insurance so right there, I'm done for! Lol

Yes, I think many people want to be taken care of by their government.

That"s what a government is for. That's why we pay taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd leave if I could. It's not that I hate the US nor current situation politically, although I do think current path of the US is on the way down.

It's more that in being educated in how life is lived in other countries, I think I'd be personally happier.

Culturally and economically, my ambitions of wanting to be rich and powerful are not aligned with the American necessity for success at all costs. It's a personal decision of course, and it doesn't mean I want to live in any other country in the world but maybe there are options offering me more fulfillment.

I've learned that the US is not the only country in the world that offers happiness, it's not exclusively the best country in the world to live for 100% of humans and that the US is about one thing and that is success, hard stop.

Without money, life in the US sucks. Without money, life in some other countries may be possible. When you compare their lifestyle to an average American one, it looks different. But when you see that they have community, a safety net of healthcare, infrastructure, public transportation, less choices in opportunity but more basic needs fulfilled, it's not horrible.

The economic pressures of living in the US will grow and unless you're willing to meet them, it is harder than simply enjoying a less opulent lifestyle but maybe one that is more content. For some, it aligns with their desires, for me, I can be happier with less. I just want to eat deliciously, have a place to rest, friends who are with me often and do something I'm good at and enjoy.

A small life but one that is enough for me. In the US, it's impossible without employer sponsored health insurance so right there, I'm done for! Lol

Yes, I think many people want to be taken care of by their government.

That"s what a government is for. That's why we pay taxes.

You mean not to enrich the tech bros while also supporting Israel?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As soon as I retire I am leaving. Plan in hand already. The US just isn't fun or pleasant anymore.

I said the same thing. Then investigated more fully and changed my mind. If you have family & friends overseas it might make sense. But uprooting your entire social structure in older age and moving to a foreign country is a huge risk. If you don’t have family overseas you will never fit into the local culture, and will grow old as an outsider.

As a female woman of color who was born here, the current version America makes me feel like an outsider.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers

“In its 250th year, is America, land of immigration, becoming a country of emigration?,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“Last year the U.S. experienced something that hasn’t definitively occurred since the Great Depression: More people moved out than moved in. The Trump administration has hailed the exodus—negative net migration—as the fulfillment of its promise to ramp up deportations and restrict new visas. Beneath the stormy optics of that immigration crackdown, however, lies a less-noticed reversal: America’s own citizens are leaving in record numbers, replanting themselves and their families in lands they find more affordable and safe.”

trump said he wanted to increase exports, so...

[Anonymous]

I don’t think moving abroad is for everyone, but I’m not surprised that people are becoming more expat curious. Healthcare and a better education system and potentially lower costs of living may become more attractive as the economy declines. The birth rates are declining across the west so other countries might start to be more welcoming to Americans since we have money and are low risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think moving abroad is for everyone, but I’m not surprised that people are becoming more expat curious. Healthcare and a better education system and potentially lower costs of living may become more attractive as the economy declines. The birth rates are declining across the west so other countries might start to be more welcoming to Americans since we have money and are low risk.

Why do Americans call themselves expats and not immigrants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wait I thought that housing is so expensive because so many illegal immigrants are coming in that they’re taking up all the housing and if we fixed that housing costs would boom! Go down!

It was only a net decrease of a 150,000 people. When it gets to negative 10-15 million you'll see some results. Especially if all the people talking about moving upthread actually follow through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Americans Are Leaving the U.S. in Record Numbers

“In its 250th year, is America, land of immigration, becoming a country of emigration?,” the Wall Street Journal reports.

“Last year the U.S. experienced something that hasn’t definitively occurred since the Great Depression: More people moved out than moved in. The Trump administration has hailed the exodus—negative net migration—as the fulfillment of its promise to ramp up deportations and restrict new visas. Beneath the stormy optics of that immigration crackdown, however, lies a less-noticed reversal: America’s own citizens are leaving in record numbers, replanting themselves and their families in lands they find more affordable and safe.”

America is becoming a sh&t hole country as dumpy would say

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wait I thought that housing is so expensive because so many illegal immigrants are coming in that they’re taking up all the housing and if we fixed that housing costs would boom! Go down!

It was only a net decrease of a 150,000 people. When it gets to negative 10-15 million you'll see some results. Especially if all the people talking about moving upthread actually follow through.

I doubt it will be older people, but I can see it if the younger generation joblessness trend continues. Young people are the ones other countries want anyway.