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Anonymous
Must. disengage. repetitive. Rhee. chip. in. your. head. |
Anonymous
Spoken like someone who learned about technology from "The Matrix." Exactly whom do you think is root/superuser for DCPS you moron? (FYI, networks run on UNIX, but not on THE MATRIX). Dumbass. |
Anonymous
No idea what you're on about now 
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Anonymous
Maybe because you're "slow"? 19:35 has a movie-like imaginary understanding of technology and 22:26 actually know what he's talking about. Oh, and since the form went out under Rhee's watch, she is 100% responsible for that insulting piece of shite. Duh. 
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Anonymous
This is what I always do -- at the doctor's office, at school, etc. I cross out what I don't like, initial or change, and sign as is. I don't bother keeping a copy because I can't copy on the spot and if there is a dispute they will have to produce the signed original in self-defense. I did this when I was in delivery with my first child. I had asked to see all forms when I went for "pre-delivery" admissions check-in a few days before I was due. Of course, they didn't show me all the release forms then even though I asked. Days later when the nurse presented me with the medical release just after I threw up upon admission to triage for L&D, I gave her back the crossed-out initialed form and she said, "you can't do that!! You can't make any changes!" And she tried to give it back to me. But, some of the terms were terms about my medical treatment I didn't want -- AIDS testing, giving the doctor power to make all medical decisions, not just emergency decisions if I was unable, etc. I just looked at her and asked, "what kind of voluntary informed consent will it be if you force me to sign a form I don't want to sign in the form it is in?" She went scurrying away and I didn't hear from her again before I delivered. After delivery, a man came in while I was getting a breastfeeding lesson from a lactation specialist because I couldn't breastfeed, and, while I was buck naked from the waist up, shoved the form at me and asked me to sign it retroactively. I declined and pointed out that I was busy and he left and never came back. Even if I had signed it, I would have signed and noted, "forced to sign after delivery" or somesuch. If you are forced to sign a form you don't want to after trying not to sign it in order to get basic services it might be argued that it is a "contract of adhesion" and the principles can still be debated in court. Actually even if you weren't forced to sign it, but did you can still argue its provisions. Can't say I've ever tested it in court though. |
Anonymous
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I am glad that someone is actually giving out these forms and trying to enforce the permission slip process. When my child was in first grade, the teachers gave out permission slips for a field trip to a certain location and then took them to some totally different place. The parents were never informed of the change either before or afterwards. I only found out by accident from my child. When I asked the teacher about it (new to the school that year), he said he hadn't realized until they were on the bus and had expressed unease but that the other veteran teachers had told him it didn't matter what the parents said/signed. (One of these teachers is definitely one of the ones that should have been fired for many other reasons besides the field trip.)
These antics would not be tolerated in any other major school system as they expose the system to major financial liability. |
Anonymous
Be that as it may, the solution is not to attempt coerce parents into signing away their ability to hold the school responsible for negligence. The solution is for the school not to behave negligently in the first place. All these forms do is give them permission to screw up. |
Anonymous
This is really too funny now. You're trying to insult me because I don't get your little sci-fi movie reference? And then the Unix reference too? You really need to get out more often. Don't sign the document. Sign the document. The legal effect is the same. |
Anonymous
| This is a legitimate question and I truly wish the parents who end up hijacking a thread with mean-spirited comments would take a few breaths before typing and sending. It just makes the discussion uncomfortable for everyone else. I am a lawyer (although not a contracts lawyer) and was dismayed about the changes to the form. It is truly an attempt to exempt the school from all liability, even those actions which were done negligently. Although I cross things out every time I send a trip form back and have not yet been asked about it, as a lawyer, I am supposed to be held to a higher standard as to what I am signing and feigning ignorance would not work. We should get a law firm to look at the form pro bono (for free) and provide guidance on its soundness. I am sure the lawyers who crafted it were only interested in protecting DC public schools. |
Anonymous
I agree with the "duh" poster: clearly the entire universe is a virtual simulation that was designed and run by Michelle Rhee with the intent of enslaving mankind for the purposes of draining our life-force to run a dystopic electronic Hellscape. Isn't it obvious? Signed, Yet Another Obsessive Anti-Rhee Loonbag |
Anonymous
Ok. Lawyer here. Sorry, it's just so simple. Schools (because they are under the control of gov't municipalities) are NEVER liable for ORDINARY NEGLIGENCE. Public schools are liable for GROSS NEGLIGENCE. You are not signing away any liability for ordinary negligence--DCPS never had this liability. They are just being overly thorough to avoid frivolous lawsuits. How could you be a lawyer and not know this very basic concept of contracts law? This is 1L material. No one needs to hire a firm to study this. As you've probably noticed since you've revived the old thread--field trips went on as before--the legal world did not stop turning because you didn't sign the forms. |
Anonymous
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OP Here - What is the difference between Ordinary Negligence and Gross Negligence?
And since the form doesn't specify which type of negligence, does the form by default cover both? |
Anonymous
| 09:37 - What does the form say about Gross Negligence, if anything? Does it specify that they are still liable for Gloss Negligence? As OP said, it would be good to understand what ordinary vs gross negligence is. I have not seen the form nor am I a lawyer. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
I could link you to some very simplistic Black's Law dictionary definition, but I won't because you can do that yourself. Beside's, any definition I give you will be picked apart in some pedestrian way by someone on this board with more free time on their hands than common sense. Suffice to say, the case precedent controls a more detailed definition than you can find from mere googling. I have told you here before, DCPS has not changed it's liability with this form. Knowingly allowing the commission of an illegal act against a child probably rises to the level of gross negligence. Whereas, failure to repair a crack in a sidewalk on the premises where a child trips and is hurt might not be. It depends on the case law in the jurisdiction, which would require research. |