Trump suspends all offshore wind farms under construction ending thousands of jobs and cheaper energy

[Anonymous]

Merry Christmas, Virginia. We’re already paying for this plant, and will be paying for it for years, only now our power prices will be even higher because it won’t be coming online to relieve some of the insane demand from the data centers Trump’s handlers insist we build.

No more wind? No more data centers.

[Anonymous]

How is Trump getting away with all of these unilateral demands?

Where are our fearless leaders in Congress? Whipped. That's what's happened to them. They're cowering and hiding instead of manning up. Sad.

We need to remember this when it's time for their reelection. They're letting down the nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Merry Christmas, Virginia. We’re already paying for this plant, and will be paying for it for years, only now our power prices will be even higher because it won’t be coming online to relieve some of the insane demand from the data centers Trump’s handlers insist we build.

No more wind? No more data centers.

Relax, the towers are built, but not all the turbines installed. They will just mothball until the next D president. I read an article in Barrons that said they are about 18 months from being fully operational.

To me this is no different than Gaven Newsom passing laws to outlaw the sale of gas powered cars by a certain date. Politicians should stay out of it, and let the market determine. Trump and Newsom, two peas in the same pod.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merry Christmas, Virginia. We’re already paying for this plant, and will be paying for it for years, only now our power prices will be even higher because it won’t be coming online to relieve some of the insane demand from the data centers Trump’s handlers insist we build.

No more wind? No more data centers.

Relax, the towers are built, but not all the turbines installed. They will just mothball until the next D president. I read an article in Barrons that said they are about 18 months from being fully operational.

To me this is no different than Gaven Newsom passing laws to outlaw the sale of gas powered cars by a certain date. Politicians should stay out of it, and let the market determine. Trump and Newsom, two peas in the same pod.

Regulations change. Studies need to change. Not the sort of thing you put on hold for a few years and pick up where you left off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Great. They negatively impact sea life such as whales. The wind doesn’t always blow and the sun doesn’t always shine but with nuclear powered electric generation the world will always be aglow.

There are these incredible inventions called batteries that capture and store power for later. Google them. They’re amazing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merry Christmas, Virginia. We’re already paying for this plant, and will be paying for it for years, only now our power prices will be even higher because it won’t be coming online to relieve some of the insane demand from the data centers Trump’s handlers insist we build.

No more wind? No more data centers.

Relax, the towers are built, but not all the turbines installed. They will just mothball until the next D president. I read an article in Barrons that said they are about 18 months from being fully operational.

To me this is no different than Gaven Newsom passing laws to outlaw the sale of gas powered cars by a certain date. Politicians should stay out of it, and let the market determine. Trump and Newsom, two peas in the same pod.

Regulations change. Studies need to change. Not the sort of thing you put on hold for a few years and pick up where you left off.

Not sure what you are talking about. Trump’s interior department shut it down. Mothball is the only option, unless you want to tear it all down. BTW, Marylanders and Delaware hated it.

[Anonymous]

The US will not be able to supply the electricity needed for data centers. Let’s stop pretending the demand will be met.

[Anonymous]

This is actually about RADAR and Physics. The turning blades of the offshore wind farms prevent USAF radar from working properly to detect and track incoming aircraft. There is no easy or quick fix to the interference this causes. The fixed towers also create ground clutter, but because they are fixed it is possible to (partially) compensate for that.

And yes, the Russians still fly TU-95s and other aircraft up and down the US East Coast regularly, flying from Russia then through the GIUK gap to Newfoundland and then down to Cuba. Langley AFB and others scramble fighters to make sure the Russians stay outside US airspace and to remind them that we can see them coming.

Pentagon has been concerned about this for over a decade. I have no idea what future administrations might decide, but the issues are very real. And the Laws of Physics are laws that cannot be avoided.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is actually about RADAR and Physics. The turning blades of the offshore wind farms prevent USAF radar from working properly to detect and track incoming aircraft. There is no easy or quick fix to the interference this causes. The fixed towers also create ground clutter, but because they are fixed it is possible to (partially) compensate for that.

And yes, the Russians still fly TU-95s and other aircraft up and down the US East Coast regularly, flying from Russia then through the GIUK gap to Newfoundland and then down to Cuba. Langley AFB and others scramble fighters to make sure the Russians stay outside US airspace and to remind them that we can see them coming.

Pentagon has been concerned about this for over a decade. I have no idea what future administrations might decide, but the issues are very real. And the Laws of Physics are laws that cannot be avoided.

So why was the project given the green light in the first place is there were concerns for over a decade? It's going to impact consumers negatively as Dominion in VA has committed a ton of dollars towards this project that is no effectively killed when is partially complete. What changed?

[Anonymous]

anonymous wrote: So why was the project given the green light in the first place is there were concerns for over a decade?

It's going to impact consumers negatively as Dominion in VA has committed a ton of dollars towards this project that is no effectively killed when is partially complete. What changed?

The administration that made the decision to approve the wind farms and approve their specific locations chose to disregard the inputs from the Pentagon (yes, this was reported as a specific concern by the Pentagon well before before the decision was made way back when).

Example: One of the main east coast USAF radars is located on the north eastern quadrant of Oceana NAS in VA Beach. Look for the radomes on Google Maps using satellite view. A Dominion wind farm site blocks substantial amounts of that radar’s field of view. As noted before, the ground clutter from fixed towers can (partially) be mitigated, but the interference from moving blades cannot be mitigated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Merry Christmas, Virginia. We’re already paying for this plant, and will be paying for it for years, only now our power prices will be even higher because it won’t be coming online to relieve some of the insane demand from the data centers Trump’s handlers insist we build.

No more wind? No more data centers.

Relax, the towers are built, but not all the turbines installed. They will just mothball until the next D president. I read an article in Barrons that said they are about 18 months from being fully operational.

To me this is no different than Gaven Newsom passing laws to outlaw the sale of gas powered cars by a certain date. Politicians should stay out of it, and let the market determine. Trump and Newsom, two peas in the same pod.

Regulations change. Studies need to change. Not the sort of thing you put on hold for a few years and pick up where you left off.

Not sure what you are talking about. Trump’s interior department shut it down. Mothball is the only option, unless you want to tear it all down. BTW, Marylanders and Delaware hated it.

I’m not sure what that has to do with Virginia, but yes, as I was replying to PP telling me to “relax”, the money is gone. Mothball is the only option.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

anonymous wrote: So why was the project given the green light in the first place is there were concerns for over a decade?

It's going to impact consumers negatively as Dominion in VA has committed a ton of dollars towards this project that is no effectively killed when is partially complete. What changed?

The administration that made the decision to approve the wind farms and approve their specific locations chose to disregard the inputs from the Pentagon (yes, this was reported as a specific concern by the Pentagon well before before the decision was made way back when).

Example: One of the main east coast USAF radars is located on the north eastern quadrant of Oceana NAS in VA Beach. Look for the radomes on Google Maps using satellite view. A Dominion wind farm site blocks substantial amounts of that radar’s field of view. As noted before, the ground clutter from fixed towers can (partially) be mitigated, but the interference from moving blades cannot be mitigated.

Interesting how this reason was only like, the tenth one offered for shutting these projects down. I don’t buy it. Scotland seems to manage just fine with their turbines off the coast of Trump’s golf course. Maybe we can ask the Royal Navy for tips.

[Anonymous]

Oh, and the wind farm off Cape Cod similarly blocks large portions of the field of view from the E Massachusetts USAF radar. So sites other than VB also are problematic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

anonymous wrote: So why was the project given the green light in the first place is there were concerns for over a decade?

It's going to impact consumers negatively as Dominion in VA has committed a ton of dollars towards this project that is no effectively killed when is partially complete. What changed?

The administration that made the decision to approve the wind farms and approve their specific locations chose to disregard the inputs from the Pentagon (yes, this was reported as a specific concern by the Pentagon well before before the decision was made way back when).

Example: One of the main east coast USAF radars is located on the north eastern quadrant of Oceana NAS in VA Beach. Look for the radomes on Google Maps using satellite view. A Dominion wind farm site blocks substantial amounts of that radar’s field of view. As noted before, the ground clutter from fixed towers can (partially) be mitigated, but the interference from moving blades cannot be mitigated.

Interesting how this reason was only like, the tenth one offered for shutting these projects down. I don’t buy it. Scotland seems to manage just fine with their turbines off the coast of Trump’s golf course. Maybe we can ask the Royal Navy for tips.

I cannot speak to the motivations of the current administration.

I can say this radar issue has been a well-known Pentagon concern for years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wonder how this will go over with Google?

Tech companies’ rabid demand for electricity has them going straight to the source. On Monday, Google parent Alphabet announced its plan to buy Intersect, a San Francisco startup behind large renewable energy facilities in California and Texas.

The signed deal will see the Mountain View tech giant pay $4.75 billion in cash, plus take on Intersect’s debt, to acquire the company. According to a news release, Google will get an in-construction solar and battery project by a new data center in Texas, plus Intersect’s employees and its future projects. Non-Google investors will take over Intersect’s other existing and in-development projects, which include a planned 3.1 million-solar panel facility in western Fresno County that was pitched as the world’s largest battery energy storage system
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Google’s deal with Intersect, the news release said, is meant “to unlock abundant, reliable, affordable energy supply that enables the buildout of data center infrastructure without passing on costs to grid customers.”
The in-construction Texas facility that Google’s getting from the deal offers a glimpse at the companies’ vision: As Google builds the large data center for running AI and cloud computing, Intersect’s solar farm will provide power, plus energy stability with 1.3 gigawatt-hours of battery storage

https://www.sfgate.com/tech/article/google-gobbles-startup-vast-project-21257549.php

Texas and California remain states within the US, so not sure how this is relevant.