"Early Action" kind of scammy at EDII schools?

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Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

[Anonymous]

The whole ED2 thing is scammy. Along with demonstrated interest. But these are private businesses. Your only choice is to not participate in this nonsense. That is what my family chose to do.

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Anonymous wrote:DD did not apply Early Decision to any schools, but did apply Early Action to a number of them. The first Early Action school she has heard back from is Furman (as second or 3rd choice school), which, somewhat to my surprise, deferred her- albeit with the requisite invitation to consider "Early Decision II". I am a bit surprised by the deferral considering DD has a 32 ACT (which puts her in the top 25% of the 50% of Furman applicants who submit test scores), is not applying for financial aid (i.e. full pay), has 3 5s on AP Tests, and solid though not spectacular grades from one of the most academically rigorous private schools in the Southeast. Given that Furman, according to its common data set, accepts roughly 60% of its domestic OOS applicants, it seems that DD should be right in their wheelhouse. What's their game here...just trying to stampede "Early Action" applicants into ED2? Given that Furman is not her top choice, that's not going to happen. Still, given that we are not talking about a super selective school here, the deferral rankles given the comparative strength of my daughter's academic and extracurricular profile. If, as I expect, they end up admitting her anyway in the RD round, it makes me much less likely to consider enrolling DD as a second or third choice should DD's plans change.

Furman? Meh.

Just trying to lock down a decent student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?


Northeastern also has a very known EA/ED1/ED2 scheme going on. On the portal, at the top in big font is a quick form to change from EA to ED.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They know they are not your first choice, therefore you are not theirs. They are protecting their yield. If you apply ED2 you show they are your top choice and they will look at you more seriously. It’s part of the game. Students/parents value high ranking schools that are selective, therefore schools do what they can to increase applicant numbers and decrease their yield (the number who are offered spots and decline).

THIS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?

Fordham is requiring another essay for those deferred from EA. Madness!

[Anonymous]

Yes protecting yield is an issue. But related to this is the fact that many many smaller schools are over subscribed because too many kids said yes. It is a huge issue at these schools that cant absorb like big schools. So ED obviously lowers the risk and they can spread the risk over fewer kids that aren’t ED.

Blame the common app.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes protecting yield is an issue. But related to this is the fact that many many smaller schools are over subscribed because too many kids said yes. It is a huge issue at these schools that cant absorb like big schools. So ED obviously lowers the risk and they can spread the risk over fewer kids that aren’t ED.

Blame the common app.

OP here. This all makes sense except in Furman’s case applications have been dropping over the past 2 years and the school has been underenrolling versus its targets (only 550 last year versus desired level of 700) for several years. Furman’s enrollment has dropped 3-4 years running now, so much so that Fitch just downgraded their bond rating.

IT seems a risky strategy for a school that needs to increase full pay enrollment to jerk around a good full pay candidate from the region who will actually push up their test averages.

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I mean, we’re talking about a school with a roughly 60% admission rate for domestic applicants and an overall admissions yield of 12%.

Furman is a good school in a beautiful spot with a lot to offer. But it is rarely *anyone*’s first choice, especially if they have a reasonably competitive admissions profile. Few people are going to burn their ED shot on Furman, they are never going to be able to fill their class this way, no matter how much they want to yield protect.

I see this as a newly hired enrollment manager trying to bluff a weak hand. I doubt it’s going to work out for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?


Northeastern also has a very known EA/ED1/ED2 scheme going on. On the portal, at the top in big font is a quick form to change from EA to ED.

Case Western does this.

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Did the OP visit? My DS did. Tour was awesome. He loved it. He got in. I'm sure the visit and tour helped. We don't live very close.

For those that aren't familiar with Furman. It has a great campus, and you live on campus for 4 years. It is about 10 miles from Greenville which is awesome. Only downside is the rec center isn't great.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?


Northeastern also has a very known EA/ED1/ED2 scheme going on. On the portal, at the top in big font is a quick form to change from EA to ED.

Case Western does this.

But Case Western often tells you how much merit money you'd get if you changed your app from EA to ED2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?


Northeastern also has a very known EA/ED1/ED2 scheme going on. On the portal, at the top in big font is a quick form to change from EA to ED.

Case Western does this.

But Case Western often tells you how much merit money you'd get if you changed your app from EA to ED2.

Yes. My kid ended up with a large scholarship at our state flagship which is higher ranked. They lose some too students with their games.

[Anonymous]

*top students

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I respect colleges that don’t play this game, even if it means their yield numbers are lower as a result.

+1 just accept, reject, or waitlist if you must. My kid got a deferral from a school that apparently had a high deferral rate this year and now they’re asking for additional essays and such. Would have been better off applying RD than EA as it’s going to drag on just as long but involves more work (the college already had supplemental essays).

Which school is this??
I didn't know EA handed out deferrals. And extra essays? That's crazy.
I know some waitlist require an essay to stay on waitlist,....but essay for deferral into RD pool, is there no end to this madness?


Northeastern also has a very known EA/ED1/ED2 scheme going on. On the portal, at the top in big font is a quick form to change from EA to ED.

Case Western does this.

But Case Western often tells you how much merit money you'd get if you changed your app from EA to ED2.

A few of my DD's schools have done this (Wooster and F&M, maybe one other?). I assume they will give the same amount of merit money if you stay EA or RD, but telling you how much is intended partially to give you comfort that if you decided to apply ED2 you'd still get the money.