Yes, Israel loves to spy on its greatest ally and America still does nothing about it
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Anonymous
Well, for starters, Israelis should have no say in what constitutes an “enemy” … |
Anonymous
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Of course Israel spies on us. I’m sure we spy on them. It’s what countries do. They spy on each other, they spy on themselves, they leverage secrets, and they all pretend to be innocent.
Angela Merkel got upset when the Snowden leaks revealed that the US (NATO allies) had been spying on her, “Friends do not spy on friends,” something that we were apparently helped with by Denmark. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57302806 Then it was discovered that German spies had helped Americans spy on other “friends”. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32529017 I don’t know whether Israel overstepped some arcane spy ethics boundary, they spied so blatantly that America couldn’t believably maintain a facade of ignorance, or America felt that it served a political interest to out the Israeli espionage. I’m certainly not endorsing other countries spying on us, and I do think we should vigorously protect our secrets, but to be shocked at the revelation that another country (even an ally) is spying on us would be disingenuous. I don’t think this revelation significantly changes anything. Israel is neither inherently more virtuous nor malicious, neither a better or worse ally than it was before the revelation that they were trying to gain information on us. I would hope our intelligence forces would assume, as a given, that other countries will take every opportunity to get our confidential information, and guard it accordingly, and maybe that’s why we revealed that we’re on to them. |
Anonymous
You're either ignorant in which case you need to do some studying before you argue anything. Or you're an Israeli shill hoping that no one refutes you. Either way, Israel is not an American ally. John Kiriakou is a former CIA officer, who was Chief of Counterterrorist Operations in Pakistan after 9/11 and led the raid that caught Abu Zubaydah. However, he's best known as the whistleblower who revealed the CIA's "enhanced interrogation" techniques that were revealed to be torture. He details Israeli spy techniques and how the US intelligence community knows this. He gives examples of how Mossad broke into a CIA officers apartment multiple times, and deliberately moved things around to let them know that they were there, shit in all their toilets, stole a bunch of things, and finally cut the tail off their dog. And then he mentions that the US ambassador has to go over to the Israelis periodically to tell them to stop doing this shit. Like it's a normal everyday nuisance. He also says "So we don’t do things like this to the Israelis ever. We also don’t spy on the Israelis ever because of the political pressure that would put the CIA under on Capitol Hill". He also say that he was recruited to be at a spy during a meeting, refused, reported it, and that was the reason he never met with the Israelis again. John Kiriakou: Israel’s Negative, Disproportionate and Widespread Influence on the U.S. National Security State https://www.wrmea.org/2022-may-transcending-the-israel-lobby-at-home-and-abroad/john-kiriakou-israels-negative-disproportionate-and-widespread-influence-on-the-u.s.-national-security-state.html |
Anonymous
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Newsweek, in 3rd article on issue, says Israel’s is third most aggressive intelligence service after Russia, China.
Israel has 1000s of spies in America. This is the reason why it's problematic that so many former members of the IDF are founders of dozens of cybersecurity, cloud computing, surveillance, geolocation, and data science companies. They are stealing customer data and spying on people's cell phones and computers. (May 2014) ‘New NSA document highlights Israeli espionage in US’ https://www.timesofisrael.com/new-nsa-document-highlights-israeli-espionage-in-us/ A newly revealed NSA document highlights and corroborates allegations carried by Newsweek that Israel aggressively spies on the US. “The Israelis are extraordinarily good [Signals Intelligence] partners for us,” the NSA document says, as reported in Newsweek, “but on the other [hand], they target us to learn our positions on Middle East problems.” The document also said that a 2013 National Intelligence Estimate on cyber threats “ranked Israel the third most aggressive intelligence service against the US” behind only China and Russia, Newsweek reported. Quoting an unnamed senior US intelligence operative, following vociferous denials by Israeli figures, Newsweek said “Israeli intelligence, became far more cautious, subtle and sophisticated after the 1985 arrest of Jonathan Pollard on charges of spying for Israel.” “There are many players [at work], military and civilian, [in the] defense industrial base and [among] industrial competitors, technologies and commercial systems.” They are not necessarily direct employees of Israeli intelligence agencies, “but all work for the mothership,” he told Newsweek. |