Aloof teacher is heavy on app use and doesn't communicate well - would you take it to the principal?

Anonymous
Teacher here, reporting from the other side of the curtain.

Things are bad. BAD. Teachers are overwhelmed and burning out at a rapid rate. Some, like OP’s teacher, seem to be completely checking out. No, it’s not okay.

Many of us are still fighting the good fight, but we have slumped shoulders and defeated faces in the faculty lounge. I’ve been at this a long time and I’ve never seen it like this.

Yes, OP. You should escalate. That’ll light a temporary fire and improve things for a while, maybe enough to get you through this year. But it won’t really improve until teaching improves.
Anonymous
Admin already retaliates on us for not inflating the grades. They retaliate on us if we do this, that, or the other. So forgive me when I say parents constantly tattling on us is not going to fix a system that is already corrupted through money politics and Karen games.
Anonymous
Honestly, we had had issues like this too,
OP. I feel like my kid’s middle school math classes were entirely “taught” on Zearn. They did fine, but if not us teaching material at home they would have learned nothing.

I’d go to the principal with your issues. I wouldn’t care if the teacher someone took it out on your student. Teachers need to be called out for poor performance. Supplement your kid at home with actual math instruction. By a textbook and do it. Whatever grade they get in this middle school class won’t matter. What matters is what they are actually learning- and you do have some agency to control that
Anonymous
I recommend that real teachers leave the profession as parents, admin, and our union are fighting against us at all hours of the day. Let them get by with uncertified fired govnt workers communication degrees who have no background content or training. Yeah. That will fix our horrible ed system.

Maybe we can come to where you work, get jobs with no experience, and try to drive you to unemployment. Would you like that?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I recommend that real teachers leave the profession as parents, admin, and our union are fighting against us at all hours of the day. Let them get by with uncertified fired govnt workers communication degrees who have no background content or training. Yeah. That will fix our horrible ed system.

Maybe we can come to where you work, get jobs with no experience, and try to drive you to unemployment. Would you like that?


Might as well. There is no “real” teaching going on already
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD is in 8th grade and taking an advanced math class. The class has a lot of demands and while my kid is doing well overall, I'm not seeing much evidence of instruction from the teacher and the apps and classroom management system she uses is quite punitive. My daughter will insist she completed certain assignments but the system, she claims, didn't record that she completed them and records the grade as a zero. I've emailed the teacher about this, and she responds with these very aloof, robotic answers that sound like they're written by AI. "If Larla followed the instructions correctly to turn in her work, then should would have received a grade above zero. Thank you." Another time, DD missed a quiz because of a doctor's appt. The quiz was recorded as a zero. I wrote to the teacher again about this. No reply. Earlier this fall, the kids were invited to sign up for a math competition at a local college. The teacher provided a bad link and never responded when parents asked for the correct link (a few of us who got in touch ended up having to track down the information ourselves).

It's been unnerving, to say the least. I think the teacher just DGAF. She seems to be resorting to more of a facilitator than an actual educator. I've had more human interactions while taking asynchronous online classes with instructors on the other side of the country than from this teacher my kid sees every day, in person.

The last straw? Last week she sent out an email saying the students could take a certain quiz one day after school. Well, several kids including DD showed up to the classroom, but no one was there. Turns out they were supposed to take it online. Now all these kids have zeros. I wrote to her and again, I received this rigid response. Nothing admitting that she did not bother telling the kids exactly how to take the test. Should I complain to the principal or is that just going to light fires and cause problems for my kid? I get it, they're all resorting to apps and online communication and we're stuck with it. But if you don't want to treat the kids as human beings and help correct things for them, then find another job.
This sounds like a few MS teachers. This could have been DC’s science teacher this year. She doesn’t teach much at all, just refers them to do Gizmo, or a Kahoot, or an EdPuzzle, watch a video, etc.
+1 That’s our DCs whole MS experience. Very little lecture or teaching at all. Just a Gizmo, tons of Kahoot, lots of Wayground, Amoeba sisters vids, teacher vids from 2020, worksheets with no textbook yet told no Google searches —they literally have nothing to go off of, Ed Puzzles to ad nauseam, worksheets, Google slides, etc. It’s like the teachers don’t know how to lecture or they don’t know the material themselves.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD is in 8th grade and taking an advanced math class. The class has a lot of demands and while my kid is doing well overall, I'm not seeing much evidence of instruction from the teacher and the apps and classroom management system she uses is quite punitive. My daughter will insist she completed certain assignments but the system, she claims, didn't record that she completed them and records the grade as a zero. I've emailed the teacher about this, and she responds with these very aloof, robotic answers that sound like they're written by AI. "If Larla followed the instructions correctly to turn in her work, then should would have received a grade above zero. Thank you." Another time, DD missed a quiz because of a doctor's appt. The quiz was recorded as a zero. I wrote to the teacher again about this. No reply. Earlier this fall, the kids were invited to sign up for a math competition at a local college. The teacher provided a bad link and never responded when parents asked for the correct link (a few of us who got in touch ended up having to track down the information ourselves).

It's been unnerving, to say the least. I think the teacher just DGAF. She seems to be resorting to more of a facilitator than an actual educator. I've had more human interactions while taking asynchronous online classes with instructors on the other side of the country than from this teacher my kid sees every day, in person.

The last straw? Last week she sent out an email saying the students could take a certain quiz one day after school. Well, several kids including DD showed up to the classroom, but no one was there. Turns out they were supposed to take it online. Now all these kids have zeros. I wrote to her and again, I received this rigid response. Nothing admitting that she did not bother telling the kids exactly how to take the test. Should I complain to the principal or is that just going to light fires and cause problems for my kid? I get it, they're all resorting to apps and online communication and we're stuck with it. But if you don't want to treat the kids as human beings and help correct things for them, then find another job.
This sounds like a few MS teachers. This could have been DC’s science teacher this year. She doesn’t teach much at all, just refers them to do Gizmo, or a Kahoot, or an EdPuzzle, watch a video, etc.
+1 That’s our DCs whole MS experience. Very little lecture or teaching at all. Just a Gizmo, tons of Kahoot, lots of Wayground, Amoeba sisters vids, teacher vids from 2020, worksheets with no textbook yet told no Google searches —they literally have nothing to go off of, Ed Puzzles to ad nauseam, worksheets, Google slides, etc. It’s like the teachers don’t know how to lecture or they don’t know the material themselves.


Yes. Same experiences, nearly all classes have been like this.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I recommend that real teachers leave the profession as parents, admin, and our union are fighting against us at all hours of the day. Let them get by with uncertified fired govnt workers communication degrees who have no background content or training. Yeah. That will fix our horrible ed system.

Maybe we can come to where you work, get jobs with no experience, and try to drive you to unemployment. Would you like that?
Good luck, we have JDs, MDs, PhDs, etc. not BS/BA in education
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD is in 8th grade and taking an advanced math class. The class has a lot of demands and while my kid is doing well overall, I'm not seeing much evidence of instruction from the teacher and the apps and classroom management system she uses is quite punitive. My daughter will insist she completed certain assignments but the system, she claims, didn't record that she completed them and records the grade as a zero. I've emailed the teacher about this, and she responds with these very aloof, robotic answers that sound like they're written by AI. "If Larla followed the instructions correctly to turn in her work, then should would have received a grade above zero. Thank you." Another time, DD missed a quiz because of a doctor's appt. The quiz was recorded as a zero. I wrote to the teacher again about this. No reply. Earlier this fall, the kids were invited to sign up for a math competition at a local college. The teacher provided a bad link and never responded when parents asked for the correct link (a few of us who got in touch ended up having to track down the information ourselves).

It's been unnerving, to say the least. I think the teacher just DGAF. She seems to be resorting to more of a facilitator than an actual educator. I've had more human interactions while taking asynchronous online classes with instructors on the other side of the country than from this teacher my kid sees every day, in person.

The last straw? Last week she sent out an email saying the students could take a certain quiz one day after school. Well, several kids including DD showed up to the classroom, but no one was there. Turns out they were supposed to take it online. Now all these kids have zeros. I wrote to her and again, I received this rigid response. Nothing admitting that she did not bother telling the kids exactly how to take the test. Should I complain to the principal or is that just going to light fires and cause problems for my kid? I get it, they're all resorting to apps and online communication and we're stuck with it. But if you don't want to treat the kids as human beings and help correct things for them, then find another job.
This sounds like a few MS teachers. This could have been DC’s science teacher this year. She doesn’t teach much at all, just refers them to do Gizmo, or a Kahoot, or an EdPuzzle, watch a video, etc.
+1 That’s our DCs whole MS experience. Very little lecture or teaching at all. Just a Gizmo, tons of Kahoot, lots of Wayground, Amoeba sisters vids, teacher vids from 2020, worksheets with no textbook yet told no Google searches —they literally have nothing to go off of, Ed Puzzles to ad nauseam, worksheets, Google slides, etc. It’s like the teachers don’t know how to lecture or they don’t know the material themselves.


Yes. Same experiences, nearly all classes have been like this.
+1 Very little to no true ‘teaching’ going on. The parents are supplementing for years.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD is in 8th grade and taking an advanced math class. The class has a lot of demands and while my kid is doing well overall, I'm not seeing much evidence of instruction from the teacher and the apps and classroom management system she uses is quite punitive. My daughter will insist she completed certain assignments but the system, she claims, didn't record that she completed them and records the grade as a zero. I've emailed the teacher about this, and she responds with these very aloof, robotic answers that sound like they're written by AI. "If Larla followed the instructions correctly to turn in her work, then should would have received a grade above zero. Thank you." Another time, DD missed a quiz because of a doctor's appt. The quiz was recorded as a zero. I wrote to the teacher again about this. No reply. Earlier this fall, the kids were invited to sign up for a math competition at a local college. The teacher provided a bad link and never responded when parents asked for the correct link (a few of us who got in touch ended up having to track down the information ourselves).

It's been unnerving, to say the least. I think the teacher just DGAF. She seems to be resorting to more of a facilitator than an actual educator. I've had more human interactions while taking asynchronous online classes with instructors on the other side of the country than from this teacher my kid sees every day, in person.

The last straw? Last week she sent out an email saying the students could take a certain quiz one day after school. Well, several kids including DD showed up to the classroom, but no one was there. Turns out they were supposed to take it online. Now all these kids have zeros. I wrote to her and again, I received this rigid response. Nothing admitting that she did not bother telling the kids exactly how to take the test. Should I complain to the principal or is that just going to light fires and cause problems for my kid? I get it, they're all resorting to apps and online communication and we're stuck with it. But if you don't want to treat the kids as human beings and help correct things for them, then find another job.
This sounds like a few MS teachers. This could have been DC’s science teacher this year. She doesn’t teach much at all, just refers them to do Gizmo, or a Kahoot, or an EdPuzzle, watch a video, etc.
+1 That’s our DCs whole MS experience. Very little lecture or teaching at all. Just a Gizmo, tons of Kahoot, lots of Wayground, Amoeba sisters vids, teacher vids from 2020, worksheets with no textbook yet told no Google searches —they literally have nothing to go off of, Ed Puzzles to ad nauseam, worksheets, Google slides, etc. It’s like the teachers don’t know how to lecture or they don’t know the material themselves.


We know how to lecture. Kids don’t have the attention spans or patience for it. Over the past two decades, all of the higher ed teacher education programs and professional development programs in schools have been focussing on “engaging” and “student-centered” learning. Meanwhile, the breadth of curriculum and pacing has gotten unmanageable. Teachers are also pressured to give timely feedback, despite having over 100 students on their rosters. If they spend even one minute checking each child’s homework or classwork per day, that’s an extra hour and 40 minutes not available for lesson planning, calls home, IEP meetings, writing assessments, etc.

The tech gizmos have been sold to teachers and students as the solution. We don’t have the budget to buy unique solutions for our classrooms. Nor do we have the time to write our own curricula.

It’s a bit like medicine; every actor in the system knows it sucks, but no one person has the power or energy to repair it under the major cost-cutting and efficiency pressures. Believe me, the parents who complain this board aren’t the first ones to discover the problems of education.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recommend that real teachers leave the profession as parents, admin, and our union are fighting against us at all hours of the day. Let them get by with uncertified fired govnt workers communication degrees who have no background content or training. Yeah. That will fix our horrible ed system.

Maybe we can come to where you work, get jobs with no experience, and try to drive you to unemployment. Would you like that?


Might as well. There is no “real” teaching going on already


Well, as a teacher who is spending my entire weekend prepping to “really teach” next week, I’d appreciate a tad more support.

Look: I get it. There are bad teachers. OP may be dealing with one.

But how about not painting us all with the same brush? Trust me when I say the good teachers are the ones burning out the fastest because we haven’t checked out like OP’s teacher has.

So OP’s teacher will stay because it’s easy to be a bad teacher. The good teachers are trying to stay afloat in a sea of bad administrators, ineffective policies, and misguided curricula. And we’re trying to shield your kid from all of that, too.

So a bit of kindness goes a long way.
Anonymous
Technology stinks. It creates expectations that it cannot meet.

When teachers used the black grade book and physically returned graded paper assignments back to students, students tracked their own grades, parents saw what they saw, the final grade was what it was, and a parent never saw that little black book.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I recommend that real teachers leave the profession as parents, admin, and our union are fighting against us at all hours of the day. Let them get by with uncertified fired govnt workers communication degrees who have no background content or training. Yeah. That will fix our horrible ed system.

Maybe we can come to where you work, get jobs with no experience, and try to drive you to unemployment. Would you like that?
Good luck, we have JDs, MDs, PhDs, etc. not BS/BA in education


Would you be surprised to find out many teachers have degrees outside of education, especially at the middle and high school levels?

I have two degrees. Neither are in education.
The teacher on one side of me has three degrees. None are in education.
The teacher on the other side also has three degrees, two masters and a PhD. None of them are in education.

Combined, we have 47 years of teaching experience and 8 degrees, none in education.
Anonymous
Most teachers have Masters Degrees not MBAs from university if Phoenix
Anonymous
It's like if we came to your job and kept complaining to your manager that we keep on getting Mickey as our Happy meal toy when we need Donald Duck. You go back and there is a giant box of Mickey's and no Donald's. Your boss threatens and fires you because your customers keep complaining but the manager is who gets the toys. They fire someone because customer complains but they are complaining of the Managers decision.

That's what it's like when they fire teachers and try to ruin their lives with bad reviews.
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