Quality of a VT education

[Anonymous]

The presence of online classes suggests a lack of scholarly environment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The presence of online classes suggests a lack of scholarly environment.

This.

As is the fact that most courses have multiple choice plug and chug problems not requiring the higher levels of thinking. We know many at VT and the coursework is not challenging for anyone who got 5s on Stem APs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

This isn’t necessarily true. You don’t need to attend a top flight school for scholarly thought. Roanoke College right up the road from VT makes their students think in interesting classes. Why can’t VT make their students engage more academically?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

“ Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ”
I disagree with the statement they don’t meet the BARE Minimum. Have you attended these schools? Can you speak with first hand knowledge about each school? What about Michigan, Georgia Tech, UMD, UIUC, Texas, Berkeley? They aren’t private E schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

I did pull up curricula for Yale, Harvard, Princeton, VT and Purdue. I discovered that Harvard and Yale's ABET-accredited B.S. programs require significantly fewer engineering courses than Purdue or VT. Harvard and Yale require near the minimum engineering courses while VT and Purdue greatly exceed the minimums.

And this is comparing ABET to ABET. Harvard and Yale also offer non-ABET B.A. programs with even fewer technical requirements, designed for students that can’t hang with their weak-sauce ABET programs or want dabble in engineering without really having to do the work.

The bottom line is that engineering schools like VT and Purdue have substantially more rigorous and extensive engineering requirements than Harvard or Yale. VT is much closer to “top engineering” than Harvard or Yale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

Purdue has engineering ethics. I met a professor of it who gave a lecture at my workplace. He made an excellent book recommendation that I share with others.

Looked up and found this....

https://www.niee.org/

"Welcome to NIEE!

For more than three decades, the National Institute for Engineering Ethics (NIEE) has served the engineering profession. In late 2020, Purdue University became the new administrative home for NIEE, ushering in an exciting new chapter in the organization’s history."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Schools that have the whole-student/whole-brain engineering as well as the most rigorous stem classes, far above ABET which is a minimum, are the top private E-schools:
Ivies with real E(Princeton Penn Cornell Columbia Harvard Yale)
Plus MIT CMU Hopkins NW Duke

Pull up the details of the curricula and the courses: ethics, writing, leadership skills are all included
VT and other similar schools do not have the peer quality to provide the high level discussion nor the difficult problem sets. Purdue for example, along with VT, meets the bear minimum ABET for math/sci/upperlevels, yet also lacks the ethical and leadership engineering education that the top schools have.

If you want top engineering, VT is not it

I did pull up curricula for Yale, Harvard, Princeton, VT and Purdue. I discovered that Harvard and Yale's ABET-accredited B.S. programs require significantly fewer engineering courses than Purdue or VT. Harvard and Yale require near the minimum engineering courses while VT and Purdue greatly exceed the minimums.

And this is comparing ABET to ABET. Harvard and Yale also offer non-ABET B.A. programs with even fewer technical requirements, designed for students that can’t hang with their weak-sauce ABET programs or want dabble in engineering without really having to do the work.

The bottom line is that engineering schools like VT and Purdue have substantially more rigorous and extensive engineering requirements than Harvard or Yale. VT is much closer to “top engineering” than Harvard or Yale.

But does VT prepare students with an ethics course? How about a course on diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Even though it's clear you're a concern troll, a simple Google search would give you the answers you pretend to seek. All students at VT have gen ed requirements to fulfill, in addition to their majors. These are called Pathways and include humanities classes. You're welcome.

https://enge.vt.edu/undergraduate/generalengineering.html
https://www.pathways.prov.vt.edu/content/dam/pathways_prov_vt_edu/1AboutPathways/course-catalog/Pathways%20Course%20Guide%20by%20Alpha%2025-26.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Even though it's clear you're a concern troll, a simple Google search would give you the answers you pretend to seek. All students at VT have gen ed requirements to fulfill, in addition to their majors. These are called Pathways and include humanities classes. You're welcome.

https://enge.vt.edu/undergraduate/generalengineering.html
https://www.pathways.prov.vt.edu/content/dam/pathways_prov_vt_edu/1AboutPathways/course-catalog/Pathways%20Course%20Guide%20by%20Alpha%2025-26.pdf

Can you read? The question wasn’t what is offered or required. The question is does anyone at VT take these courses seriously. So far the outlook seems dim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many classes engineering students need to take that they have an abbreviated version of gen eds. You can try to take smaller seminars but I'm guessing many try to take easy classes because engineering is already demanding.

This is concerning. We need engineers that understand the issues of society, not just human robots doing math equations. Is this true for other majors at VT? Pre-professional isn’t scholarly.

Even though it's clear you're a concern troll, a simple Google search would give you the answers you pretend to seek. All students at VT have gen ed requirements to fulfill, in addition to their majors. These are called Pathways and include humanities classes. You're welcome.

https://enge.vt.edu/undergraduate/generalengineering.html
https://www.pathways.prov.vt.edu/content/dam/pathways_prov_vt_edu/1AboutPathways/course-catalog/Pathways%20Course%20Guide%20by%20Alpha%2025-26.pdf

Can you read? The question wasn’t what is offered or required. The question is does anyone at VT take these courses seriously. So far the outlook seems dim.

DP. Troll

[Anonymous]

VT acceptance rate is 40 or 50% for in state? The school is made up on slightly above average kids in the state. Quality of education is dictated by the quality of the kids. Just look at the public high schools in VA. So much cheating. It’s a joke. VT courses can’t be that serious with such students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All of VA’s top three publics (no need to debate the order here) offer a legitimate scholarly environment.

How strong is the general education at VT? Are the engineering students taking a philosophy course and if so, are they taking it seriously?

There is something wrong with your brain.

Yes, there are a ton of students who are there to actually learn.

Doesn't matter what their major is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: VT acceptance rate is 40 or 50% for in state? The school is made up on slightly above average kids in the state. Quality of education is dictated by the quality of the kids. Just look at the public high schools in VA. So much cheating. It’s a joke. VT courses can’t be that serious with such students.

Utter BS

[Anonymous]

Troll