PTO Request Sick vs. trip

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the medical procedure is time sensitive, you only scheduled it a week ago. Just reschedule. Your coworker can not change her date. If this is a life altering test or you are in great pain, I would stand firm.

+1

Your post suggests the procedure is next month, which means at least 2 weeks from now. You can rightfully be a sourpuss about your management’s screw up, but when push comes to shove, you can reschedule your procedure, while your coworker cannot change the date of the field trip they’ve committed too. You become the a-hole if you push the claim that a scheduled medical procedure trumps your colleague’s PTO request.

Why does she need to be a sourpuss vs l. standing up for herself that once it was approved she made plans for a medical procedure and she needs to keep those plans? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people on DCUM tell women to disappear when most people here claim to be feminists desiring equality, but then so much of the advice translates to you're not equal, your needs and wants are less important than everyone else's as soon as they are the least bit inconvenient.

*vs. standing up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You should have checked.

She should have checked more than her manager whose job it was to approve it. Nope. She can put in any request she wants.

I didn’t see that the manager approved it. Manager can cover since she’s the one that screwed up by approving without checking.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Manager is douche for not checking coverage and then approving. Most medical procedures these days need to scheduled months in advance, absent you getting a call about a last-minute cancelation.

Frankly, it's a one-day thing and not a multi-day overlapping absence. The manager should make it work by seeing if other people can swap shifts. Manager is being lazy and trying to cover-up their own screw-up.

-The Manager's Boss

This. So many boot lickers here trying to make the manager's screw up OPs problem. No way jose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the medical procedure is time sensitive, you only scheduled it a week ago. Just reschedule. Your coworker can not change her date. If this is a life altering test or you are in great pain, I would stand firm.

+1

Your post suggests the procedure is next month, which means at least 2 weeks from now. You can rightfully be a sourpuss about your management’s screw up, but when push comes to shove, you can reschedule your procedure, while your coworker cannot change the date of the field trip they’ve committed too. You become the a-hole if you push the claim that a scheduled medical procedure trumps your colleague’s PTO request.

Why does she need to be a sourpuss vs l. standing up for herself that once it was approved she made plans for a medical procedure and she needs to keep those plans? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people on DCUM tell women to disappear when most people here claim to be feminists desiring equality, but then so much of the advice translates to you're not equal, your needs and wants are less important than everyone else's as soon as they are the least bit inconvenient.

Because the thread title is framed as “PTO sick vs trip” and not “Can management rescind PTO approval.” It is implied that OP thinks their PTO should be prioritized. And the OP never states their gender, only the female coworker who requested PTO for a field trip.

Management is clearly in the wrong here, and should never have let the employees “figure it out.” Both employees should push back that HE figure it out, as it’s his job. How would he handle the situation if both employees had an emergency on the same day? Proceed with that plan.

The way OP framed the thread title, it seems like they’re trying to throw field trip mom under the bus, though, which is the part I’d err against.

[Anonymous]

I think OP is asking if she has some legal right that trumps field trip mom’s right.
In some state, the right to take certain sick days is legally privileged and it’s harder for management to deny it. Like NY.
I don’t know where OP is located. But generally if you can reschedule the procedure, there’s a duty on employers to not schedule their flexible medical appointments for a day that is inconvenient for employer.

[Anonymous]

Can you really not be out at the same time? What is urgent that day?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Unless the medical procedure is time sensitive, you only scheduled it a week ago. Just reschedule. Your coworker can not change her date. If this is a life altering test or you are in great pain, I would stand firm.

+1

Your post suggests the procedure is next month, which means at least 2 weeks from now. You can rightfully be a sourpuss about your management’s screw up, but when push comes to shove, you can reschedule your procedure, while your coworker cannot change the date of the field trip they’ve committed too. You become the a-hole if you push the claim that a scheduled medical procedure trumps your colleague’s PTO request.

Why does she need to be a sourpuss vs l. standing up for herself that once it was approved she made plans for a medical procedure and she needs to keep those plans? It never ceases to amaze me how so many people on DCUM tell women to disappear when most people here claim to be feminists desiring equality, but then so much of the advice translates to you're not equal, your needs and wants are less important than everyone else's as soon as they are the least bit inconvenient.

Because the thread title is framed as “PTO sick vs trip” and not “Can management rescind PTO approval.” It is implied that OP thinks their PTO should be prioritized. And the OP never states their gender, only the female coworker who requested PTO for a field trip.

Management is clearly in the wrong here, and should never have let the employees “figure it out.” Both employees should push back that HE figure it out, as it’s his job. How would he handle the situation if both employees had an emergency on the same day? Proceed with that plan.

The way OP framed the thread title, it seems like they’re trying to throw field trip mom under the bus, though, which is the part I’d err against.

Yes, I didn't mean to imply she argue hers is more important, just that it was approved and she relied on the approval. Other posters were saying field trip mom trumps OP. I agree with you that both are being wronged here and OP shouldn't defer or blame but simply stand up for herself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you really not be out at the same time? What is urgent that day?

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This. I figure if they're both ER docs or something, there would already be a policy about shift minimums and when leave can be denied.

[Anonymous]

The manager should set up a shared calendar where the employee can mark their absence, and it should be first-come, first-served.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can you tell us more about what you do and how critical it is to have one of you available that day?

This.
Can someone else cover for OT? Of schedule adjust?
If you called out sick the day coworker was off they would have to figure it out. They can figure it out.

[Anonymous]

Your boss messed up but you should reschedule the procedure of possible. One of the best pieces of advice I’ve gotten is to be the person who makes your bosses’ life easier. That includes when they make mistakes.