Serious Question - Special Ed Students in Gen Ed Classrooms

[Anonymous]

This is OP. I’m hearing about issues in my kid’s classroom - it’s not a behavior issues for the general classroom.

[Anonymous]

Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don't isolate students who receive special ed services anymore. It's been this way for a long time, so maybe you just weren't aware

Do you know when this stopped? We left in 2019. Was it after that?

Probably. Last SECAC meeting, SpEd office talked about how complaints significantly escalated in the last 2 years. Like huge jumps in numbers. Prob a vestige from McKnight tenure, then Felder "increase class sizes," so here we are.

What type of complaints spiked?

Same question. Not clear from your comment what complaints were about and who they were about.

I was in the same meeting. MSDE state complaints and due process cases are both up about tenfold.

[Anonymous]

Its a huge problem...we have kids in diapers in kindergarten and first grade gen ed classes.

[Anonymous]

Many districts are putting kids in classrooms who really need a self contained room for two reasons: 1) It's cheaper and 2) No one can find teachers willing to teach special Ed.
My former district openly said they were moving to a "full inclusion" for everyone model for the above reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many districts are putting kids in classrooms who really need a self contained room for two reasons: 1) It's cheaper and 2) No one can find teachers willing to teach special Ed.
My former district openly said they were moving to a "full inclusion" for everyone model for the above reasons.

Wow. 🤯 public education will be cooked if so. How utterly abysmal for our future children and teachers. Public education is failing them all at every level.

[Anonymous]

Our experienced teacher seems like she is about to quit because she has a nonverbal severely autistic child in a gen ed class who screams nonstop, hurts herself by hanging her head against the wall, and runs out of the room. No one is learning anything, including the child who should be in a special-needs class, and the teacher is just getting burnt out. Thanks, MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

Ok thank you. My kid is a quiet kid and the environment is really taking some getting used to. He actually has a great teacher who recognizes the issues in the classroom but it is so disruptive and distracting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

Obviously, this is not the type of child I am talking about, nor did I say that it is always bad to have special needs children in class- my own child has an IEP. I am speaking about kids without 1-1's who have severe behaviors, or are so many grade levels below. It is a different world from what your child experienced.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

It’s very hard for students to get 1:1 support now. This is happening. And believe me, if a teacher wants to call the police because of immediate safety concerns, they will be disciplined. Ask me how I know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

It’s very hard for students to get 1:1 support now. This is happening. And believe me, if a teacher wants to call the police because of immediate safety concerns, they will be disciplined. Ask me how I know.

I'm sure it was hard to get a 1:1 support 12 years ago too. But it still happens today. I've seen it in my kids' classroom where there are extra adults when there are kids with severe needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

Obviously, this is not the type of child I am talking about, nor did I say that it is always bad to have special needs children in class- my own child has an IEP. I am speaking about kids without 1-1's who have severe behaviors, or are so many grade levels below. It is a different world from what your child experienced.

The subject of this offensive thread is about the logic of having special ed students in gen ed classrooms. If your child has an IEP, I'm not sure why you would be complaining about special needs kids in gen ed classrooms, because your kid is one of them. Even if you see your child as superior to "other kids with special needs", other parents with neurotypical kids may feel the same way about your kid with an IEP, and that they're disproportionately absorbing teacher time. It's a slippery slope, so hopefully you can provide a little grace to kids, and not go down the dangerous path of advocating that only neurotypical kids are allowed in gen ed classrooms.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We don't isolate students who receive special ed services anymore. It's been this way for a long time, so maybe you just weren't aware

Do you know when this stopped? We left in 2019. Was it after that?

"Special ed" students have been assigned to the least restrictive environment far before 2019. You just weren't paying attention, or you're trying to troll now.

I’m not trolling. We are in a ‘W’ elementary school and this is the first we have experienced. But thanks.

Yeah, I work at 'W' elementary school myself (for over a decade) and nope-you're wrong...MCPS doesn't use resource classrooms. SPED teachers either push in or pull out for certain subjects (and not for the entirety of the class either) but special ed students are always in regular homerooms and classrooms. DCPS uses resource classrooms. Go there if you're so concerned.

Why do schools always hire the rudest people?

It’s quite telling that you call informed people sharing accurate information “rude.” Meanwhile OP can be clueless and share her opinions as if they are fact.

Huh? I’m not “sharing my opinion as if they are fact” - an opinion is just that. Because we just returned to MCPS, we have no frame of reference as to what the norm is and are trying to figure that out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any teachers who have not seen the change are just lucky at this point. When you have a student that makes it impossible to teach, yet the county refuses to move them, EVERY child and adult in the classroom are affected.

OP- you are not imagining things. Students with severe disabilities are much more mainstream than they were even 2 years ago.

That's not true. My oldest kid (now nearly completing high school) had a blind child with cerebral palsy starting in their K class, so this is now over a decade ago. The child had a 1:1 aide--and the teacher said she loved that because that aide could lend a hand if needed as there were always 2 adults in the classroom, which is a gift.

Yes, some kids have special needs--but you're being very closed minded to think that it's always a bad thing to have those special needs kids in class. The child I mention was a lovely kid--certainly better behaved than some of the neurotypical MCPS kids I've met. My kid still remembers how they taught him a little Braille so that he could understand how he blind child was learning to read.

It’s very hard for students to get 1:1 support now. This is happening. And believe me, if a teacher wants to call the police because of immediate safety concerns, they will be disciplined. Ask me how I know.

I'm sure it was hard to get a 1:1 support 12 years ago too. But it still happens today. I've seen it in my kids' classroom where there are extra adults when there are kids with severe needs.

It’s very hard to get 1:1 now because no one wants to do this. Your anecdotal experience is not the new normal.