Bad coach - do you say anything?

[Anonymous]

it’s always the coaching. Coaches get a small stipend and are impossible for schools to find. one reason is the parents and the kids. you think people are lined up at the door at your school to coach for $3,000 to $5,000 dollars. you should pick a school like Landon who has a teacher coach setup. in house people. i would agree with other especially soccer just play your travel league its sounds like heaven for you and all your star travel players 😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:lol sure everyone travel kids are so good and it’s the coaching. Good luck. wait till you see college coaches.

In college, like in Club, there are strict subbing rules. In high school there aren't- so what you see from all the opposing teams in a constant rotation which means that there are constant fresh legs, rested players and the entire field doesn't tire at the same time. When you play this way, you also can't maintain quality on the field for the entire 90 minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:it’s always the coaching. Coaches get a small stipend and are impossible for schools to find. one reason is the parents and the kids. you think people are lined up at the door at your school to coach for $3,000 to $5,000 dollars. you should pick a school like Landon who has a teacher coach setup. in house people. i would agree with other especially soccer just play your travel league its sounds like heaven for you and all your star travel players 😂

OP here- I suspect you are right about hard to find.

That said, no parents or kids have said anything that I am aware of. Parents are nothing but supportive.

Again, they aren't all superstars or course, but they all play for clubs in the top leagues in the area. All the seniors and some juniors are recruited to top SLAC/Div I/Ivies. There is plenty of talent and will.

[Anonymous]

pay to play athletes in travel leagues always get shocked and served when mommy and daddy are not paying the coach/league/program thousands of dollars. what local private school is loaded with division one talent and losing because of coaching?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:pay to play athletes in travel leagues always get shocked and served when mommy and daddy are not paying the coach/league/program thousands of dollars. what local private school is loaded with division one talent and losing because of coaching?

Dude, it's all pay to play. Chill.

[Anonymous]

Our HS coach doesn't sub much at all and lots of talented players don't play. There are some kids who don't play the whole season. My kid has played 10 minutes this season, and everyone seems OK with it (but the sport is not a priority for my kid). I've driven carpool for a car full of kids like this and they have excellent attitudes. The coach fosters a good environment, but as far as subbing, that's how it goes. This is public school though, so no attitude of "getting what you're paying for."

If the coach is out of bounds berating, perhaps speak to the AD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may not like this but these coaches get paid to win games not just coddle your kids feelings. Of your kid wants on the field work harder to get there. Just like every other profession in life results matter and in athletics results are shown as wins and losses you end up with several loosing seasons and you will no longer have a job…

OP here- thanks everyone for the points of view.

PP, that's just it-- they aren't winning, and its really clear to almost everyone why -- the coaching is bad on a series of levels. This is a soccer, and 100% of the players on the team (and their parents) play for high level travel clubs, so we've all been around the block, dealt with a variety of coaches over the years etc. Not subbing (particularly when you are ahead or behind by a lot) is leading to losses and injuries, as well as failing to have other players learn and improve -- which then puts us at a disadvantage when those players do come on after someone is injured.

But as this is a prviate school team, I think (though maybe incorrectly) that there's also a mandate to embody the spirit of the school to the extent that this is a place to grow and learn and have fun. That doesn't mean you don't play to win, but it does mean the coach should make sure there are opportunities for everyone to learn.

I think another PP made a good point as well as to how hard it is to find coaches for these jobs that pay very little but demand a fair bit of time in the middle of the day, so maybe that's just the way it goes.

Is it possible the kids are getting injuries from too much practice cumulatively, especially if they're doing club + HS? I find it hard to believe they're getting injuries from playing a 90 minute game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may not like this but these coaches get paid to win games not just coddle your kids feelings. Of your kid wants on the field work harder to get there. Just like every other profession in life results matter and in athletics results are shown as wins and losses you end up with several loosing seasons and you will no longer have a job…

OP here- thanks everyone for the points of view.

PP, that's just it-- they aren't winning, and its really clear to almost everyone why -- the coaching is bad on a series of levels. This is a soccer, and 100% of the players on the team (and their parents) play for high level travel clubs, so we've all been around the block, dealt with a variety of coaches over the years etc. Not subbing (particularly when you are ahead or behind by a lot) is leading to losses and injuries, as well as failing to have other players learn and improve -- which then puts us at a disadvantage when those players do come on after someone is injured.

But as this is a prviate school team, I think (though maybe incorrectly) that there's also a mandate to embody the spirit of the school to the extent that this is a place to grow and learn and have fun. That doesn't mean you don't play to win, but it does mean the coach should make sure there are opportunities for everyone to learn.

I think another PP made a good point as well as to how hard it is to find coaches for these jobs that pay very little but demand a fair bit of time in the middle of the day, so maybe that's just the way it goes.

Is it possible the kids are getting injuries from too much practice cumulatively, especially if they're doing club + HS? I find it hard to believe they're getting injuries from playing a 90 minute game.

of course not it’s the high school coach 😂 not over training.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You may not like this but these coaches get paid to win games not just coddle your kids feelings. Of your kid wants on the field work harder to get there. Just like every other profession in life results matter and in athletics results are shown as wins and losses you end up with several loosing seasons and you will no longer have a job…

OP here- thanks everyone for the points of view.

PP, that's just it-- they aren't winning, and its really clear to almost everyone why -- the coaching is bad on a series of levels. This is a soccer, and 100% of the players on the team (and their parents) play for high level travel clubs, so we've all been around the block, dealt with a variety of coaches over the years etc. Not subbing (particularly when you are ahead or behind by a lot) is leading to losses and injuries, as well as failing to have other players learn and improve -- which then puts us at a disadvantage when those players do come on after someone is injured.

But as this is a prviate school team, I think (though maybe incorrectly) that there's also a mandate to embody the spirit of the school to the extent that this is a place to grow and learn and have fun. That doesn't mean you don't play to win, but it does mean the coach should make sure there are opportunities for everyone to learn.

I think another PP made a good point as well as to how hard it is to find coaches for these jobs that pay very little but demand a fair bit of time in the middle of the day, so maybe that's just the way it goes.

Is it possible the kids are getting injuries from too much practice cumulatively, especially if they're doing club + HS? I find it hard to believe they're getting injuries from playing a 90 minute game.

OP again - yes, for sure. Which is another reason for the coach to be mindful about overuse, as the club coaches certainly are. Again, all the teams we play are subbing regularly and I assume have the same demands (club + HS) on their players.

The subbing is one aspect of this, only, but I do believe its leading to poorer outcomes as the whole field gets exhausted at the same rate and pace.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like you should be the coach. You know how to sub right. I would apply next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New to this, but what do you do when a talented group of athletes is not doing well because of terrible coaching and berating of players. This coach doesn't sub. Doesn't sub anyone out in first half, then puts 4-5 players in for 5-10 min in the second half. There is a full bench of talented, club players who are not playing at all. The players on the field are exhausted, ground down, getting injuries. Additionally, the coach is very negative and critical of individual players, telling them "I give up" after a losing game, not giving helpful criticism at all (ie., tell them what they should be doing, not just that they suck) and thus making the sport not much fun either. (This is high school, not club sports.)

Is there any recourse for this that doesn't blackball a student or family? I wonder if the athletic director knows this situation - but then again, maybe in schools you just keep your head down...

Thoughts?

Welcome to sports! There is a lot of toxicity on teams

[Anonymous]

Most of the top ranked independents rely heavily on their starters and yes, the bench is full of club starters. Just how it goes.

[Anonymous]

In high school it is imoortant to play the upperclassmen. If you’re a sophomore On Varsity play JV if you want more minutes.

[Anonymous]

mommy wants better coaching. she has the sub pattern worked out and knows the strengths and weaknesses of of all the players because they carpool and play travel together 😭. the coach is mean and yells at jaxson, jayden, caiden and aiden so much. what should I do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:mommy wants better coaching. she has the sub pattern worked out and knows the strengths and weaknesses of of all the players because they carpool and play travel together 😭. the coach is mean and yells at jaxson, jayden, caiden and aiden so much. what should I do?

You are clearly not a private school parent with those names.