is AI making a high GPA less impressive?

[Anonymous]

It will definitely make a low GPA or mid GPA even less impressive as 20% of the students getting straight As in high school, and 40% of the class getting A range grades in certain ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It will definitely make a low GPA or mid GPA even less impressive as 20% of the students getting straight As in high school, and 40% of the class getting A range grades in certain ivies.

+1

[Anonymous]

Another reason top universities like private schools and will preferentially admit even more in years to come. The GPAs can be trusted. our DC private Big3 uses long hand blue books for humanities classes and in-class essays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether it be middle, high school or college.

From AI study tools to using ChatGPT for essays.

Study found that AI-generated exam answers scored higher on average than those of real students and were rarely flagged by human markers.

So is the human voice being undetected and are teachers/professors being fooled?

There is a huge difference between using AI study tools and having AI do your homework for you. My kid uses Notebook LM for a science class where the teacher doesn’t teach and he needs to learn the content. That is far different from cheating by looking up answers or having ChatGPT write assignments.

AI can be used to support deeper understanding of materials or can be used in a way that takes away deep understanding of materials. These should not be lumped together.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is making a high GPA less impressive.

+1. So much grade inflation in schools today, particularly public. So many test retakes. A 4.0 is so common and no longer impressive. At our private, 4.0 is not common and colleges know our grading and curriculum. So kids with 3.8 get into top schools. (School does not weight gpa). Regarding Ai, our private shifted all essay writing into class periods. To avoid AI, tutor help, etc. All bigger writing assignments are done on a Google doc created by the teacher and all edits/changes are tracked and checked. Can't cut and paste anything into the doc. Kids need to do their own thinking and writing. I am thankful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether it be middle, high school or college.

From AI study tools to using ChatGPT for essays.

Study found that AI-generated exam answers scored higher on average than those of real students and were rarely flagged by human markers.

So is the human voice being undetected and are teachers/professors being fooled?

There is a huge difference between using AI study tools and having AI do your homework for you. My kid uses Notebook LM for a science class where the teacher doesn’t teach and he needs to learn the content. That is far different from cheating by looking up answers or having ChatGPT write assignments.

AI can be used to support deeper understanding of materials or can be used in a way that takes away deep understanding of materials. These should not be lumped together.

Agree. Wondering how accurate these study materials are though as I see chatgpt making errors a lot

[Anonymous]

How does notebook work in high school bio classes?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Another reason top universities like private schools and will preferentially admit even more in years to come. The GPAs can be trusted. our DC private Big3 uses long hand blue books for humanities classes and in-class essays.

My kid is at DC Catholic school and tests are in blue books as well. Same with my DC in college. Pretty common once again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How does notebook work in high school bio classes?

The same way it works for a college class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP asks whether AI is making a high GPA less impressive. In my experience, the performance of today's college students as a population is so far off the mark that AI is in some ways the least of the problems. The biggest issue is the ability to read and distill information. They genuinely don't know how to do that, and they also report not doing it in high school. Reading that is assigned for homework is simply ignored, and written assignments are often ignored, too, especially if there is not a discernible straight line between class and some kind of tangible benefit (like an internship or athletic eligibility). My students are still really lovely people, and polite and respectful, too. They are just consciously opting out of much of the learning that college provides. Grades are not a motivator, and explanations about the usefulness of certain kinds of material or certain ways of learning or thinking have only limited effect.

So a high GPA means very little to me now when I am trying to think through the achievements of an undergraduate. I have to look at the list of courses a student has taken, and even at the people they have studied with, to know whether I should even be interested. Often what is more impressive is what kinds of truly independent experiences they have undertaken. Did they manage to study abroad at a program not run by our own university? Do they know a language we don't teach? Did they land an internship at a place we don't have strong connections? Did they get a summer job in a city outside our region and away from their home? Do they participate in a volunteer or service activity that is removed from our orbit? Do they maintain a high-level skill or interest that they cultivate outside of or away from school? Do they dedicate time and energy to a demanding job - or even the needs of a family? Things like this suggest capacity for independent thought, high executive functioning, resilience, creativity, and even courage. Those are the students I tend to believe in most, not just those who earned decent grades in return for taking exactly what was required and doing little else of meaning.

Great feedback! Thank you

[Anonymous]

Bump

[Anonymous]

As a STEM faculty, I made homework 10% of the class and keep projects, if any, not more than 25%, so in-class paper and pencil exams are still worth 75% or more. Even before AI, I saw students who got near 100% in every homework and then 1 to 2 standard deviations below average in exams. It's obvious what happened. They just scoured the web for solution manual, post their homework problems on Chegg and copied answers by those poor folks who solved them for a few USD each, and/or use solutions from previous semesters if the problems hadn't changed. In-class exams have been the way to go for me. Not sure about other majors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether it be middle, high school or college.

From AI study tools to using ChatGPT for essays.

Study found that AI-generated exam answers scored higher on average than those of real students and were rarely flagged by human markers.

So is the human voice being undetected and are teachers/professors being fooled?

Teachers and professors are not being fooled. The problem is that there is little they can do about and administration do not have their backs.

[Anonymous]

It has all but confirmed low GPAs are almost idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids take exams with pencil and paper at their Catholic high school. They wrote essays in class. AP uses blue book so you can’t use AI. Standardized digital ACT/SAT make it so AI can’t be used- screen locks.

This, colleges appreciate strong privates more, with honor code and blue books. My kids do NOT use AI at all, and school is very strict about it.