Michigan ED info?

[Anonymous]

I suspect that Michigan will mirror UVA. They will get the highest stat kids in EA as those are kids who are shooting higher but still would be happy to attend MI if they don’t get their first or second choice. There is only a percentage point or two difference between EA and ED acceptance rates for oos candidates at UVA. I can’t imagine, however, that she would be disadvantaged by applying ED.

[Anonymous]

I think when a student is trying to decide between two schools that you should look deeper at majors, faculty, and facilities. And at likely post college job markets. Majors can be nationally recruited or more regionally recruited. Internship patterns vary. Michigan has tighter ties to LA, NYC Metro, and Chicago than DMV. (Due to alumni distribution and job patterns.)

I also think that people should favor their in-state selective flagship/selective flagship majors when there are substantial cost differences. I completely see the logic of UVA for Virginians and UMD-CP for engineering vs. OOS Michigan. And of choosing a school that's strong with placements in an industry you want to enter (e.g. various NYC schools for Wall Street if you likely can't get into Wharton).

OP, are you able to identify the other choice, possible majors, and any tentative pros and cons your kid has identified? Maybe additional information could help us help you.

Regarding ED, if there was a clear first choice and money is no object, for sure I would do it. If you can't make that commitment, getting an app in earlier than the EA deadline would probably help. Because DMV is somewhat of a small pool of applicants relatively speaking. You want to do whatever you can to show commitment and early submission does that. It also gives you the ability to go to webinar/fairs/school visits and say your application is in.

If money is an issue, I would ED to the other school if it offers a lot of merit to high-stats students based on publicly-shared criteria. For example, if they have a competition for full-rides or if there are a lot of designated scholarships that you can apply for. Michigan LSA actually has full webpage transparency on available merit but there are not a lot of general purpose merit scholarships in the list. The scholarships are mostly for top kids interested in select majors.

https://lsa.umich.edu/scholarships/prospective-students/merit-scholarships.html

I wouldn't make the ED decision based on optimizing chances (which ED is more likely to result in an acceptance). It needs to be based on the student's aspirations and preferences.

[Anonymous]

I'm thinking that at Michigan, ED will about capturing OOS and full-pay/price-insensitive IS, and EA will be about price-sensitive IS

Michigan has much lower yield for OOS than IS.

[Anonymous]

Re merit/need:

Here’s what the former MI AO said on her FB page:

“The university is need blind for in-state students. Out of state, yes, this could be considered in the final decision. “

“ Arlenne Gonzalez Most Michigan merit scholarships are from third-party sources who can indicate specifically who they want the scholarships to be given to. That said, it’s not a necessity for a student to fill out the FASFA to be considered for the scholarships if they meet the requirements provided by the third-party source, but you should know that it is very rare for a student to be awarded such scholarships.

Out-of-state families should expect to pay full price minus any need-based aid that they qualify for. Michigan is not generous to out-of-state students. “

[Anonymous]

Thanks. She has researched majors, visited, reached out to the school to ask specific questions, attended webinars. There is not a clear difference between her top choices that she can discern. Or I should say, they each have individual pros and cons but none has risen to the top. And, she knows they are all tough to get into, which is why I am here asking about strategy.

But, like most kids, she doesn't have a lot of target schools bc they don't seem to exist. Schools that were targets three years ago (ie above 40% acceptance and where her stats are above mid 50%) have gotten more competitive. (She has three solid safeties, but also like most kids, she is decidedly less excited about those.)

And, she specifically doesn't like her in state flagship. So OOS it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks. She has researched majors, visited, reached out to the school to ask specific questions, attended webinars. There is not a clear difference between her top choices that she can discern. Or I should say, they each have individual pros and cons but none has risen to the top. And, she knows they are all tough to get into, which is why I am here asking about strategy.

But, like most kids, she doesn't have a lot of target schools bc they don't seem to exist. Schools that were targets three years ago (ie above 40% acceptance and where her stats are above mid 50%) have gotten more competitive. (She has three solid safeties, but also like most kids, she is decidedly less excited about those.)

And, she specifically doesn't like her in state flagship. So OOS it is.

LSA, Engineering, Ross?

What is the other ED option?

[Anonymous]

Marsal. Other option is a top teaching pegeam where she is legacy and will apply TO

[Anonymous]

*program

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Marsal. Other option is a top teaching pegeam where she is legacy and will apply TO

For Marsal, do you know if this program only permits you to live as a first year in Detroit?
https://marsal.umich.edu/academics-admissions/leaps

[Anonymous]

Not applying to LEAPS.

[Anonymous]

Per the webinar you can also apply into elementary or secondary education

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that Michigan will mirror UVA. They will get the highest stat kids in EA as those are kids who are shooting higher but still would be happy to attend MI if they don’t get their first or second choice. There is only a percentage point or two difference between EA and ED acceptance rates for oos candidates at UVA. I can’t imagine, however, that she would be disadvantaged by applying ED.

OOS ED = 21%
OOS EA = 13%
OOS RD = 9%

That’s a pretty meaningful difference across the rounds, particularly between ED and EA.

But I agree that Michigan will be similar to UVA in results across the rounds for OOS: ED will get a bump, most offers will come in EA (but at a significantly lower acceptance rate, as the vast majority of applications will also come in EA), and RD will be the least advantageous round.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm thinking that at Michigan, ED will about capturing OOS and full-pay/price-insensitive IS, and EA will be about price-sensitive IS

Michigan has much lower yield for OOS than IS.

+1

I think OOS will be like UChicago nowadays, you need to do ED to get in unless they’re rounding out their class in the spring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I suspect that Michigan will mirror UVA. They will get the highest stat kids in EA as those are kids who are shooting higher but still would be happy to attend MI if they don’t get their first or second choice. There is only a percentage point or two difference between EA and ED acceptance rates for oos candidates at UVA. I can’t imagine, however, that she would be disadvantaged by applying ED.

OOS ED = 21%
OOS EA = 13%
OOS RD = 9%

That’s a pretty meaningful difference across the rounds, particularly between ED and EA.

But I agree that Michigan will be similar to UVA in results across the rounds for OOS: ED will get a bump, most offers will come in EA (but at a significantly lower acceptance rate, as the vast majority of applications will also come in EA), and RD will be the least advantageous round.

Yes, but last year was a bit of an outlier

2024 OOS, ED (18%), EA (13%)
2023 OOS, ED (17%), EA (12%)

[Anonymous]

My kid is also making this decision, OP. Michigan and another school are the top two; they are equivalent academically for what my kid wants to study, and they both offer the EC kid wants to pursue in college. Kid is visiting the other school one more time and then will make the decision basically on vibes.

I think ED is only for the first choice school. If your kid truly does not have a preference between her top two and is confident she’d be happy at either, then, sure, factor likelihood of admission in. My suspicion is that very high stats, full-pay, OOS kids from high schools that send a lot of kids to Michigan historically will have the very good odds in ED.