How much are public HS coaches paid in the DMV?

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Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

I will start with this: when you do the math for hours spent and dollars earned, you would actually make more money flipping burgers at McDonald's than coaching a HS lacrosse team.

Now, those dollar amounts, I would think, are in reference to Varsity coaches. Let's make sure we're all on the same page: yes, coaches are paid for the "season," but the season includes much more than just spring practices and games. It goes far beyond simply showing up at the field and tossing out a few balls.

There are countless hours spent on film review and practice planning. Coaches are also required to complete various trainings—CPR, heat awareness, concussion protocols, and more. On top of that, they often have to manage difficult parent interactions—every team has at least one, but usually more. This is one of the major reasons it's hard to retain quality coaches.

I did all those things as a rec coach for free. It's not that hard.

As a rec coach were you required to be available every day at school to coach at 2:30 or 3 for two hours? If yes, that means the job that pays your bills is extremely flexible, you are independently wealthy, or you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I coached HS when I was working part time (not at the school) and it was still very difficult to make the schedule work. I was not doing it for the money, but honestly there were times--especially when it came to dealing with parents--that I wondered why the heck I was spending 50 hours a work/week for three month plus the months leading up to the season for $3000.

NP. The majority of our sports practices are in the evening.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

I will start with this: when you do the math for hours spent and dollars earned, you would actually make more money flipping burgers at McDonald's than coaching a HS lacrosse team.

Now, those dollar amounts, I would think, are in reference to Varsity coaches. Let's make sure we're all on the same page: yes, coaches are paid for the "season," but the season includes much more than just spring practices and games. It goes far beyond simply showing up at the field and tossing out a few balls.

There are countless hours spent on film review and practice planning. Coaches are also required to complete various trainings—CPR, heat awareness, concussion protocols, and more. On top of that, they often have to manage difficult parent interactions—every team has at least one, but usually more. This is one of the major reasons it's hard to retain quality coaches.

I did all those things as a rec coach for free. It's not that hard.

As a rec coach were you required to be available every day at school to coach at 2:30 or 3 for two hours? If yes, that means the job that pays your bills is extremely flexible, you are independently wealthy, or you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I coached HS when I was working part time (not at the school) and it was still very difficult to make the schedule work. I was not doing it for the money, but honestly there were times--especially when it came to dealing with parents--that I wondered why the heck I was spending 50 hours a work/week for three month plus the months leading up to the season for $3000.

I think AD's should submit surveys to parents and athletes at the end of the season and allow them to anonymously review their coach. Good coaches will get glowing praise and bad coaches will not. Every single one of us gets an employee review on a regular basis. Why should high school coaches be exempt?

Coaching Rec and coaching High School are completely different — and it’s not even close.

In Rec, you typically have one or two practices per week, each lasting an hour to an hour and a half, plus one game per week. High School, on the other hand, involves practices every day for at least two hours, with two to three games per week during the season. It’s a much bigger commitment, both for players and coaches.

High School coaches are not exempt from anything; they get evaluated — just like any other employee — at the end of each season by the Athletic Director. No serious AD will ever ask a parent; those evaluations aren’t based on whether "Sally’s" mom or dad is upset she didn’t get more playing time. Just like they’re not going to take special praise from "Kate’s" parents too seriously, just because she plays a lot. Coaches are assessed on much broader and more meaningful criteria than individual parent opinions.

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Our AD should just come to a practice and hear how the coach talks the kids. That would deserve a very poor rating alone but no- he just lets it continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

I will start with this: when you do the math for hours spent and dollars earned, you would actually make more money flipping burgers at McDonald's than coaching a HS lacrosse team.

Now, those dollar amounts, I would think, are in reference to Varsity coaches. Let's make sure we're all on the same page: yes, coaches are paid for the "season," but the season includes much more than just spring practices and games. It goes far beyond simply showing up at the field and tossing out a few balls.

There are countless hours spent on film review and practice planning. Coaches are also required to complete various trainings—CPR, heat awareness, concussion protocols, and more. On top of that, they often have to manage difficult parent interactions—every team has at least one, but usually more. This is one of the major reasons it's hard to retain quality coaches.

I did all those things as a rec coach for free. It's not that hard.

As a rec coach were you required to be available every day at school to coach at 2:30 or 3 for two hours? If yes, that means the job that pays your bills is extremely flexible, you are independently wealthy, or you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I coached HS when I was working part time (not at the school) and it was still very difficult to make the schedule work. I was not doing it for the money, but honestly there were times--especially when it came to dealing with parents--that I wondered why the heck I was spending 50 hours a work/week for three month plus the months leading up to the season for $3000.

I think AD's should submit surveys to parents and athletes at the end of the season and allow them to anonymously review their coach. Good coaches will get glowing praise and bad coaches will not. Every single one of us gets an employee review on a regular basis. Why should high school coaches be exempt?

Coaching Rec and coaching High School are completely different — and it’s not even close.

In Rec, you typically have one or two practices per week, each lasting an hour to an hour and a half, plus one game per week. High School, on the other hand, involves practices every day for at least two hours, with two to three games per week during the season. It’s a much bigger commitment, both for players and coaches.

High School coaches are not exempt from anything; they get evaluated — just like any other employee — at the end of each season by the Athletic Director. No serious AD will ever ask a parent; those evaluations aren’t based on whether "Sally’s" mom or dad is upset she didn’t get more playing time. Just like they’re not going to take special praise from "Kate’s" parents too seriously, just because she plays a lot. Coaches are assessed on much broader and more meaningful criteria than individual parent opinions.

I'd like to know what the meaningful evaluation criteria is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our AD should just come to a practice and hear how the coach talks the kids. That would deserve a very poor rating alone but no- he just lets it continue.

Our coach uses intimidation, yelling, excessive conditioning and humiliation as motivational tools and then wonders why the team never wins. We might be at the same school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

I will start with this: when you do the math for hours spent and dollars earned, you would actually make more money flipping burgers at McDonald's than coaching a HS lacrosse team.

Now, those dollar amounts, I would think, are in reference to Varsity coaches. Let's make sure we're all on the same page: yes, coaches are paid for the "season," but the season includes much more than just spring practices and games. It goes far beyond simply showing up at the field and tossing out a few balls.

There are countless hours spent on film review and practice planning. Coaches are also required to complete various trainings—CPR, heat awareness, concussion protocols, and more. On top of that, they often have to manage difficult parent interactions—every team has at least one, but usually more. This is one of the major reasons it's hard to retain quality coaches.

I did all those things as a rec coach for free. It's not that hard.

As a rec coach were you required to be available every day at school to coach at 2:30 or 3 for two hours? If yes, that means the job that pays your bills is extremely flexible, you are independently wealthy, or you don't know what the heck you are talking about. I coached HS when I was working part time (not at the school) and it was still very difficult to make the schedule work. I was not doing it for the money, but honestly there were times--especially when it came to dealing with parents--that I wondered why the heck I was spending 50 hours a work/week for three month plus the months leading up to the season for $3000.

I think AD's should submit surveys to parents and athletes at the end of the season and allow them to anonymously review their coach. Good coaches will get glowing praise and bad coaches will not. Every single one of us gets an employee review on a regular basis. Why should high school coaches be exempt?

Coaching Rec and coaching High School are completely different — and it’s not even close.

In Rec, you typically have one or two practices per week, each lasting an hour to an hour and a half, plus one game per week. High School, on the other hand, involves practices every day for at least two hours, with two to three games per week during the season. It’s a much bigger commitment, both for players and coaches.

High School coaches are not exempt from anything; they get evaluated — just like any other employee — at the end of each season by the Athletic Director. No serious AD will ever ask a parent; those evaluations aren’t based on whether "Sally’s" mom or dad is upset she didn’t get more playing time. Just like they’re not going to take special praise from "Kate’s" parents too seriously, just because she plays a lot. Coaches are assessed on much broader and more meaningful criteria than individual parent opinions.

I'd like to know what the meaningful evaluation criteria is.

Yes do share what “meaningful criteria” is? Just win/loss records?

Our DC’s HS sport team is disintegrating before our eyes and the AD doesn’t care at all. There is zero accountability in this network. ADs forget they are there for the students not degenerate coaches.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our AD should just come to a practice and hear how the coach talks the kids. That would deserve a very poor rating alone but no- he just lets it continue.

Our coach uses intimidation, yelling, excessive conditioning and humiliation as motivational tools and then wonders why the team never wins. We might be at the same school.

30 years ago 85 percent of the coaches were like this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our AD should just come to a practice and hear how the coach talks the kids. That would deserve a very poor rating alone but no- he just lets it continue.

Our coach uses intimidation, yelling, excessive conditioning and humiliation as motivational tools and then wonders why the team never wins. We might be at the same school.

30 years ago 85 percent of the coaches were like this

No they weren’t

[Anonymous]

It’s all about the side hustle. Private lessons and travel teams. That’s a six figure gig.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our AD should just come to a practice and hear how the coach talks the kids. That would deserve a very poor rating alone but no- he just lets it continue.

Our coach uses intimidation, yelling, excessive conditioning and humiliation as motivational tools and then wonders why the team never wins. We might be at the same school.

30 years ago 85 percent of the coaches were like this

Okay, well it's not 30 years ago. Welcome to this century. 30 years ago sexual harassment was acceptable in the workplace. 30 years ago smoking on airplanes was acceptable. What is your point?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

I will start with this: when you do the math for hours spent and dollars earned, you would actually make more money flipping burgers at McDonald's than coaching a HS lacrosse team.

Now, those dollar amounts, I would think, are in reference to Varsity coaches. Let's make sure we're all on the same page: yes, coaches are paid for the "season," but the season includes much more than just spring practices and games. It goes far beyond simply showing up at the field and tossing out a few balls.

There are countless hours spent on film review and practice planning. Coaches are also required to complete various trainings—CPR, heat awareness, concussion protocols, and more. On top of that, they often have to manage difficult parent interactions—every team has at least one, but usually more. This is one of the major reasons it's hard to retain quality coaches.

I did all those things as a rec coach for free. It's not that hard.

Lulz at spending hours on film review as a rec coach

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

This is ill-informed. The relevant figures are: 1) how much total stipend money per sport is allocated for a given school, and 2) the size of the coaching staff. Girls Volleyball is allocated about $15K per school, so it covers the entire coaching staff. With a sport like GVB with three levels (V/JV/F), you are talking about a minimum of three head coaches, and at most good programs at least three assistant coaches. While $6500 might be the maximum stipend a Varsity GVB head coach may receive, more often than not, a significant chunk of that is allocated to other members of the staff. Plus, all stipend figures that are floating out there are before taxes.

I agree that you should expect a lot from FCPS coaches regardless of the stipend. But when you compare the FCPS stipends to what Loudoun County for example provides its coaches, it should not be a huge surprise to see more high quality coaches migrating away from FCPS to other jurisdictions over the coming years.

[Anonymous]

Loudoun county wouldn’t hire our FCPS coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not for football or other large roster programs but smaller teams like lacrosse or volleyball. What is the range?

FCPS lacrosse coaches make around $5K a season and Volleyball around $6500 for the season. This doesn’t include end of year team gifts which I imagine add up to another $500-$1000.

IMHO, it’s enough money to expect really good coaches not mediocre ones. I always hate the rhetoric that they don’t get paid a lot so you can’t expect much. Yes, I can and do expect more of them regardless of how much they make.

This is ill-informed. The relevant figures are: 1) how much total stipend money per sport is allocated for a given school, and 2) the size of the coaching staff. Girls Volleyball is allocated about $15K per school, so it covers the entire coaching staff. With a sport like GVB with three levels (V/JV/F), you are talking about a minimum of three head coaches, and at most good programs at least three assistant coaches. While $6500 might be the maximum stipend a Varsity GVB head coach may receive, more often than not, a significant chunk of that is allocated to other members of the staff. Plus, all stipend figures that are floating out there are before taxes.

I agree that you should expect a lot from FCPS coaches regardless of the stipend. But when you compare the FCPS stipends to what Loudoun County for example provides its coaches, it should not be a huge surprise to see more high quality coaches migrating away from FCPS to other jurisdictions over the coming years.

Some sports generate more paid spectators. Enough to draw in a profit in many cases and many sports only draw expenses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I coach Girls JV lax at a local private school. I get paid $2,500 for the season. No one does these jobs for the money if they are, then they are doing it for the wrong reason...

The assistant coaches I know donate their salaries back to the teams.