Where to dye clothes?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you have access to black tea, you can do this for yourself at home. Truly. Wash and dry the garment, prepare tea, dip shirt, wait until it's dry to proof color (which will fade a bit). If you like it, run it through the dryer (yes, dry, dyed shirt into dryer; heat sets the dye). Then wash as usual with a half cup of white vinegar to remove any excess dye/tea. Tea contains natural tannins that act as both dye and mordant (dyefast).

If you're worried about it ending up too dark, you can always sample on a dishtowel or other 100% cotton fabric. Be sure your shirt is 100% cotton, not a cotton/poly blend (which will also dye this way, but it'll hit different).

This is kitchen safe; you don't need to buy special equipment or dedicated dyepots. It's WAY too easy to pay someone to do for you!

She will ruin her silk fabric if she does what you describe.

She's talking about dyeing cotton. If you're gonna come in hot like some kind of expert, read the OP and follow the thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It will be very hard to do this evenly.

Not if your shirt is 100% cotton and clean. Tannic waterbath dyes are pretty straightfoward, especially on cotton. You'll get "unevenness" if there's oil or staining on the shirt to begin with, or if you don't wash the sizing out of it first. Prewash and don't dry it with dryer sheets or anything and you should be fine.

The threads won't take the dye because the threads used in manufactured garments are synthetic, polyester based fibers.

She will end up with a dingy looking shirt with bright white thread.

Incorrect. Here's a blog (not mine) showing tea dyeing poly well beyond "off white" https://www.sewhistorically.com/black-tea-dye-on-polyester-lace-and-fabric/ and here's the science of how/why it works: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10948525/ Tannins can achieve lightfast and washfast results on cottons just fine, and can penetrate poly perfectly well. If you're that worried about it, buy a higher-quality shirt. There's plenty of cotton thread in the world, and higher-quality garments aren't usually made with poly unless it's a specific feature.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I dye fabrics all the time, mostly silks.

Silks are challenging to dye for an amateur and easy to ruin if you don't know what you are doing. You can destroy the fabric finish, particularly with heavier silks and richer silks, such as silk satins, distort the fibers, and shrink the fibers. Lighter silks like chiffon and charmeuse are easier to dye and take dye beautifully, but require knowledge of how to properly dry and set the dyes or you will end up with a puckered, wrinkly, shrunken mess.

The natural color of silk is a candlelight off white, so you just need to search a little to get silk that is in the cream family. Silk almost never comes in true white, and when it does it is quite expensive because it takes so much effort to make silk pure white. If the silk clothing you are buying is pure white, then it is likely not silk but a silk blend or entirely synthetic and mislabeled (especially if the pure white "silk" is inexpensive)

If it is pure white silk blend, it won't dye easily, if at all. For synthetic fabrics to take dye, the water must be VERY hot, dye fixatives must be added, and the fabric must be properly rinsed then steamed. It is a PROCESS to dye synthetic fabrics. Synthetic fabrics take dye in very different ways using very temperatures and dye concentration than silk, which actually takes dye easily, with the difficulty in the drying and finishing. Dyeing a silk blend is difficult and not at all recommended.

Dyeing silk should be done at the fabric stage before the garment is sewn. Silk, especially lightweight silks, will shrink on the bias when dyed due to the water temperature and agitation, so it needs to be dyed before cutting so the fabric grain is straight and the bias is not twisted. Dyeing a finished silk garment is very risky as you are likely to end up with a ruined piece of clothing that cannot be worn by anyone.

If you want silk clothing, look for 100% silk which will not be pure white unless it is a VERY expensive piece of clothing like a suit or bridal gown, in which case you don't want to dye it period.

100% silk will be silk colored (yes, "silk" is a real color, a soft candlelight off-white) 100% silk will NOT be pure white. Pure white "silk" is a synthetic blend.


Cotton clothing can be dyed, but only if you have already washed it and shrunk it in a hot dryer. If you have to wash it in cold water and air dry to keep it in your size, you cannot dye it because dying requires very hot, scalding water, which will shrink 100% cotton fabric. Cotton must be preshrunk before dying or you will ruin the fit.

No, you don't need scalding water to dye cotton. Stick to silks, because the rest of this sounds like you asked AI and got the results you deserved.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be very hard to do this evenly.

Not if your shirt is 100% cotton and clean. Tannic waterbath dyes are pretty straightfoward, especially on cotton. You'll get "unevenness" if there's oil or staining on the shirt to begin with, or if you don't wash the sizing out of it first. Prewash and don't dry it with dryer sheets or anything and you should be fine.

The threads won't take the dye because the threads used in manufactured garments are synthetic, polyester based fibers.

She will end up with a dingy looking shirt with bright white thread.

Incorrect. Here's a blog (not mine) showing tea dyeing poly well beyond "off white" https://www.sewhistorically.com/black-tea-dye-on-polyester-lace-and-fabric/ and here's the science of how/why it works: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10948525/ Tannins can achieve lightfast and washfast results on cottons just fine, and can penetrate poly perfectly well. If you're that worried about it, buy a higher-quality shirt. There's plenty of cotton thread in the world, and higher-quality garments aren't usually made with poly unless it's a specific feature.

Also this: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/B9780443152139000089

[Anonymous]

Or you could buy a shirt: https://the-shirt.com/products/the-tatum-shirt-off-white

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Or you could buy a shirt: https://the-shirt.com/products/the-tatum-shirt-off-white

Sure. But maybe people could also consider wasting less, buying less, and learning how to adjust what they have to suit their needs and wants. Your gran probably knew how to solve this problem, and you don't because there's an entire industry that profits from your ignorance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be very hard to do this evenly.

Not if your shirt is 100% cotton and clean. Tannic waterbath dyes are pretty straightfoward, especially on cotton. You'll get "unevenness" if there's oil or staining on the shirt to begin with, or if you don't wash the sizing out of it first. Prewash and don't dry it with dryer sheets or anything and you should be fine.

The threads won't take the dye because the threads used in manufactured garments are synthetic, polyester based fibers.

She will end up with a dingy looking shirt with bright white thread.

Incorrect. Here's a blog (not mine) showing tea dyeing poly well beyond "off white" https://www.sewhistorically.com/black-tea-dye-on-polyester-lace-and-fabric/ and here's the science of how/why it works: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10948525/ Tannins can achieve lightfast and washfast results on cottons just fine, and can penetrate poly perfectly well. If you're that worried about it, buy a higher-quality shirt. There's plenty of cotton thread in the world, and higher-quality garments aren't usually made with poly unless it's a specific feature.

You don't appeae to have much understanding about fabric dyes or fiber content

I dye fabric weekly.

Her threads are going to be different colors than her cotton fabric.

Cotton and poly do not take dye in the same way. The two fibers require different temperatures, techniques, dyes, acidity, and amount of time in the dye bath to achieve similar color saturation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dye fabrics all the time, mostly silks.

Silks are challenging to dye for an amateur and easy to ruin if you don't know what you are doing. You can destroy the fabric finish, particularly with heavier silks and richer silks, such as silk satins, distort the fibers, and shrink the fibers. Lighter silks like chiffon and charmeuse are easier to dye and take dye beautifully, but require knowledge of how to properly dry and set the dyes or you will end up with a puckered, wrinkly, shrunken mess.

The natural color of silk is a candlelight off white, so you just need to search a little to get silk that is in the cream family. Silk almost never comes in true white, and when it does it is quite expensive because it takes so much effort to make silk pure white. If the silk clothing you are buying is pure white, then it is likely not silk but a silk blend or entirely synthetic and mislabeled (especially if the pure white "silk" is inexpensive)

If it is pure white silk blend, it won't dye easily, if at all. For synthetic fabrics to take dye, the water must be VERY hot, dye fixatives must be added, and the fabric must be properly rinsed then steamed. It is a PROCESS to dye synthetic fabrics. Synthetic fabrics take dye in very different ways using very temperatures and dye concentration than silk, which actually takes dye easily, with the difficulty in the drying and finishing. Dyeing a silk blend is difficult and not at all recommended.

Dyeing silk should be done at the fabric stage before the garment is sewn. Silk, especially lightweight silks, will shrink on the bias when dyed due to the water temperature and agitation, so it needs to be dyed before cutting so the fabric grain is straight and the bias is not twisted. Dyeing a finished silk garment is very risky as you are likely to end up with a ruined piece of clothing that cannot be worn by anyone.

If you want silk clothing, look for 100% silk which will not be pure white unless it is a VERY expensive piece of clothing like a suit or bridal gown, in which case you don't want to dye it period.

100% silk will be silk colored (yes, "silk" is a real color, a soft candlelight off-white) 100% silk will NOT be pure white. Pure white "silk" is a synthetic blend.


Cotton clothing can be dyed, but only if you have already washed it and shrunk it in a hot dryer. If you have to wash it in cold water and air dry to keep it in your size, you cannot dye it because dying requires very hot, scalding water, which will shrink 100% cotton fabric. Cotton must be preshrunk before dying or you will ruin the fit.

No, you don't need scalding water to dye cotton. Stick to silks, because the rest of this sounds like you asked AI and got the results you deserved.

You do not know what you are talking about.

I do this professionally, for over 3 decades, and am very skilled and educated in dyeing technique.

If she is dyeing a new, unwashed cotton garment, it will shrink in the dye bath.

That part is not rocket science and to claim otherwise is just foolish.

And unless she is doing a summer camp tie dye project where uneven color is just fine, the dye wash needs to be hot, preferably a low simmer becsuse the heat binds the dye to the fabric fiber. Again, this is very, very basic stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I dye fabrics all the time, mostly silks.

Silks are challenging to dye for an amateur and easy to ruin if you don't know what you are doing. You can destroy the fabric finish, particularly with heavier silks and richer silks, such as silk satins, distort the fibers, and shrink the fibers. Lighter silks like chiffon and charmeuse are easier to dye and take dye beautifully, but require knowledge of how to properly dry and set the dyes or you will end up with a puckered, wrinkly, shrunken mess.

The natural color of silk is a candlelight off white, so you just need to search a little to get silk that is in the cream family. Silk almost never comes in true white, and when it does it is quite expensive because it takes so much effort to make silk pure white. If the silk clothing you are buying is pure white, then it is likely not silk but a silk blend or entirely synthetic and mislabeled (especially if the pure white "silk" is inexpensive)

If it is pure white silk blend, it won't dye easily, if at all. For synthetic fabrics to take dye, the water must be VERY hot, dye fixatives must be added, and the fabric must be properly rinsed then steamed. It is a PROCESS to dye synthetic fabrics. Synthetic fabrics take dye in very different ways using very temperatures and dye concentration than silk, which actually takes dye easily, with the difficulty in the drying and finishing. Dyeing a silk blend is difficult and not at all recommended.

Dyeing silk should be done at the fabric stage before the garment is sewn. Silk, especially lightweight silks, will shrink on the bias when dyed due to the water temperature and agitation, so it needs to be dyed before cutting so the fabric grain is straight and the bias is not twisted. Dyeing a finished silk garment is very risky as you are likely to end up with a ruined piece of clothing that cannot be worn by anyone.

If you want silk clothing, look for 100% silk which will not be pure white unless it is a VERY expensive piece of clothing like a suit or bridal gown, in which case you don't want to dye it period.

100% silk will be silk colored (yes, "silk" is a real color, a soft candlelight off-white) 100% silk will NOT be pure white. Pure white "silk" is a synthetic blend.


Cotton clothing can be dyed, but only if you have already washed it and shrunk it in a hot dryer. If you have to wash it in cold water and air dry to keep it in your size, you cannot dye it because dying requires very hot, scalding water, which will shrink 100% cotton fabric. Cotton must be preshrunk before dying or you will ruin the fit.

No, you don't need scalding water to dye cotton. Stick to silks, because the rest of this sounds like you asked AI and got the results you deserved.

You do not know what you are talking about.

I do this professionally, for over 3 decades, and am very skilled and educated in dyeing technique.

If she is dyeing a new, unwashed cotton garment, it will shrink in the dye bath.

That part is not rocket science and to claim otherwise is just foolish.

And unless she is doing a summer camp tie dye project where uneven color is just fine, the dye wash needs to be hot, preferably a low simmer becsuse the heat binds the dye to the fabric fiber. Again, this is very, very basic stuff.

You don't sound like a professional at all. Maybe you should update your dye practices. Start here: https://prociondye.com/ When you're finished, go back and look at the research articles cited above. Tannic dyes do not require boiling, and an actual professional would know that.

Your (seemingly limited) experience dyeing silks doesn't translate to cotton. Silks are protein fibers and take an entirely different class of dyes.

Any pro knows this, but feel free to continue showcasing your arrogance and your whole ass.

[Anonymous]

Here is an online dyeing service:

https://www.alteriaonline.com/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Black tea is a fugitive dye and will fade with exposure to sunlight and washing with soap.

Good point.

It also won't necessarily dye evenly.

It will appear "antiqued" but will not give a nice, even cream color.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black tea is a fugitive dye and will fade with exposure to sunlight and washing with soap.

Sure, but 1) OP is going for cream/off-white, not a full tan or darker brown, so any amount of dye is probably enough for several wash cycles; and 2) if/when it fades, just do it again.

Who has the time to keep doing that? Just buy a cream blouse ffs.

OP here and I would agree with the "Just buy a cream blouse" but it is extremely hard to find a button down that isn't blinding white. Silk blouses, yes, I have no trouble finding those in cream.

I'd honestly investigate having custom shirts made before trying to dye a white shirt cream and hoping for an even, colorfast result.

I agree.

It takes some finesse to get an even dye finish when you are dyeing finished clothing pieces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black tea is a fugitive dye and will fade with exposure to sunlight and washing with soap.

Sure, but 1) OP is going for cream/off-white, not a full tan or darker brown, so any amount of dye is probably enough for several wash cycles; and 2) if/when it fades, just do it again.

If she wants cream, she needs yellow pigments not brown.

That being said, the other poster is correct. It is simpler to buy a new shirt rather than trying to tint an existing shirt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black tea is a fugitive dye and will fade with exposure to sunlight and washing with soap.

Sure, but 1) OP is going for cream/off-white, not a full tan or darker brown, so any amount of dye is probably enough for several wash cycles; and 2) if/when it fades, just do it again.

Who has the time to keep doing that? Just buy a cream blouse ffs.

OP here and I would agree with the "Just buy a cream blouse" but it is extremely hard to find a button down that isn't blinding white. Silk blouses, yes, I have no trouble finding those in cream.

Are you wealthy?

Ralph Lauren has some beautiful options, but they are $$$$$

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black tea is a fugitive dye and will fade with exposure to sunlight and washing with soap.

Sure, but 1) OP is going for cream/off-white, not a full tan or darker brown, so any amount of dye is probably enough for several wash cycles; and 2) if/when it fades, just do it again.

Who has the time to keep doing that? Just buy a cream blouse ffs.

OP here and I would agree with the "Just buy a cream blouse" but it is extremely hard to find a button down that isn't blinding white. Silk blouses, yes, I have no trouble finding those in cream.

Are you wealthy?

Ralph Lauren has some beautiful options, but they are $$$$$

Bloomingdales has a few too, that are not quite es expensive as good old Ralph.