Princeton admissions info and what it shows about legacy and athletic recruits

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:athletic recruiting is a joke at ivy and top nescacs - absolute joke

Princeton and Columbia - as well as Amherst and Williams- the biggest jokes as they are still able to use TO approach for even more sub par athletic applicants

They are not sub par, they are just different than you or I.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing. For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants. Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate. The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . .

This isn't how it works. Likely letters are typically issued only after the application materials are submitted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:athletic recruiting is a joke at ivy and top nescacs - absolute joke

Princeton and Columbia - as well as Amherst and Williams- the biggest jokes as they are still able to use TO approach for even more sub par athletic applicants

so sorry your student didn't dedicate themselves to becoming an elite athlete while also getting good grades. I know it's tough.

[Anonymous]

Maybe athletes are practicing for their sport while others are prepping for the SAT or ACT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It clearly shows how much smarter legacy kids are than non-legacies - significantly higher SAT and ACT scores, legacies have basically no chance without 1500+.

They look pretty similar to me. What difference are you seeing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

How do “we all know” that? Is it in the data? I thought black people could be good at crew and lacrosse and I would definitely expect the average track team or basketball team to include a lot of black people too.

DP

No. Just no. The recruited athletes are extremely white. Overwhelmingly white.

Here is their basketball team. One asian, 3 black and 6 white kids. https://goprincetontigers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster

So you want to guess what their crew and lacrosse teams look like?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Based on the data, athletic preferences are the ONLY preference that exceed racial preferences at any point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't lump legacy in with athletic recruits. Those are very different admissions process. Legacy essentially has to have all
The basic criteria that a normal
Admit would. Athletic recruits have an entirely different process and required stats.

Totally agree and the data in this student survey shows that clearly. Despite claims in several places on this form the legacy admits have higher standardized test scores. They aren't the ones needing TO. . .

Are we looking at the same data?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Based on the data, athletic preferences are the ONLY preference that exceed racial preferences at any point.

This i a better read of teh data.

"Based on the data athletics is the hardest university priority to fill due to the requirement for both intellectual and athletic excellence. These exceptional students are truly unicorns!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing. For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants. Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate. The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . .

In order to make the process seem somewhat legit (which is a joke), I have seen Ivy League athletes post that they "have committed to go through the admissions process at" the school.

The legacy data is exactly what I expected. For all of the drama about the rich legacy kids who are underqualified and only got in because mom/dad gave a big gift, the vast majority are highly qualified. Smart people have smart kids. Smart people prioritize education for their kids. Smart people tell their kids that if they want to grow up to be like mom and dad, they have to study really, really hard like mom and dad did. As has been repeated ad nauseum, these schools get tons of super qualified applicants. So legacy might be a tie breaker among highly qualified kids. That's about it.

And to those who say that most recruited athletes are rich white kids, here is a picture of the 2024 Princeton football team. I see a lot of minority athletes there. The basketball team is probably half minority. So yes, there are more rich white kids in yachting or golf, but as a whole, the athletics department likely mirrors the demographics of the whole university.

https://goprincetontigers.com/sports/football/roster

GTFOH.
No it is significantly whiter.

60% of the basketball team is white.
65% of the football team is white.

The school is only 40% white

And those are likely the blackest teams at Princeton. Want to guess how many black kids on the sailing team?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing. For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants. Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate. The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . .

Say what you will about athletes, but this is not accurate. You can only get a liklely letter after you apply. They look at the application before issuing one.

DP

I know a kid that got an offer after their season junior year to UVA girls soccer. So I think it's can happen before application

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing. For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants. Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate. The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . .

Say what you will about athletes, but this is not accurate. You can only get a liklely letter after you apply. They look at the application before issuing one.

DP

I know a kid that got an offer after their season junior year to UVA girls soccer. So I think it's can happen before application

Offers and likely letters are very different things. Top kids do get "offers" after their Junior year but they aren't binding at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't lump legacy in with athletic recruits. Those are very different admissions process. Legacy essentially has to have all
The basic criteria that a normal
Admit would. Athletic recruits have an entirely different process and required stats.

Totally agree and the data in this student survey shows that clearly. Despite claims in several places on this form the legacy admits have higher standardized test scores. They aren't the ones needing TO. . .

Are we looking at the same data?

If you look at the table under SAT by Legacy status and sort it for "legacies" 72.2% of the admitted legacies claim to have a SAT over 1500 and only 4.9% have a score below 1390. If you sort the table by non legacies the percent with scores below 1390 is 12.8% and 65.5% have a score over 1500. By the way the total number of students reporting data for this survey is 539 so it may not be statistically strong and it certainly could be biased both by which students choose to report and whether they were truthful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Based on the data, athletic preferences are the ONLY preference that exceed racial preferences at any point.

This i a better read of teh data.

"Based on the data athletics is the hardest university priority to fill due to the requirement for both intellectual and athletic excellence. These exceptional students are truly unicorns!"

The academic gap is larger for record athletes than for under represented minorities. They are the only preference group that gets more of a preference than underrepresented minorities.

I'm not saying it's an unearned preference. They work their ass off. But something like 15% of ivy+ are recruited athletes. They are overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly wealthy and incredibly important to the school. I don't begrudge the athletic preference but it is a significant non academic preference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This info is pretty fascinating if you look at the breakdown of test scores relative to legacy and athletic recruits. (And we all know that athletic recruits at Princeton mostly = privileged white people doing sports like crew, lacrosse, etc.):

https://projects.dailyprincetonian.com/frosh-survey-2028/academics.html

And yet parents of athletes always seem to maintain on this site that they are just as qualified, would have been admitted anyhow etc. Delusional.

Recruited athlete college application is its own thing. For the D1 schools the students literally sign their contracts on Nov 1st, long before they could even possibly have been compared with non athlete applicants. Even for Princeton and the other Ivies, the colleges send them "likely letters" before applications are due, then the students submit EA/REA/ED whichever early process the school has and have an over 90% admit rate. The athlete's themselves are so confident that they will be accepted many of them post in advance on social media during the summer of their senior year . . .

In order to make the process seem somewhat legit (which is a joke), I have seen Ivy League athletes post that they "have committed to go through the admissions process at" the school.

The legacy data is exactly what I expected. For all of the drama about the rich legacy kids who are underqualified and only got in because mom/dad gave a big gift, the vast majority are highly qualified. Smart people have smart kids. Smart people prioritize education for their kids. Smart people tell their kids that if they want to grow up to be like mom and dad, they have to study really, really hard like mom and dad did. As has been repeated ad nauseum, these schools get tons of super qualified applicants. So legacy might be a tie breaker among highly qualified kids. That's about it.

And to those who say that most recruited athletes are rich white kids, here is a picture of the 2024 Princeton football team. I see a lot of minority athletes there. The basketball team is probably half minority. So yes, there are more rich white kids in yachting or golf, but as a whole, the athletics department likely mirrors the demographics of the whole university.

https://goprincetontigers.com/sports/football/roster

GTFOH.
No it is significantly whiter.

60% of the basketball team is white.
65% of the football team is white.

The school is only 40% white

And those are likely the blackest teams at Princeton. Want to guess how many black kids on the sailing team?

Wow. That is some creative math. The better comparison is the total % of athletes who are black vs. the total percentage of Princeton students who are black. And I'm guessing they are very similar, boosted by the football team.

When you look at it your way you discount the fact that there is a big Asian percentage and very few Asian athletes.

And by the way, since you seem so talented at manipulating data to support your ridiculous arguments, the sailing team is not a varsity sport.