FCPS HS with new panic attacks

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

That assumes that the anxiety is irrational. If, for example, the medical condition causes frequent vomiting and the student is anxious about vomiting in class, it would be entirely reasonable and appropriate to make a plan for dealing with vomit -- alleviating the concerns.

Sure but it sounds like OP is describing something beyond that. With anxiety there is also no guarantee that you will not continue to feel anxious just because you have problem solved. And if it is a health issue like vomiting you also have to do the work of accepting “yes, it is possible I could vomit in class even if I make a good plan.” And work on tolerating that thought and the anxiety.

There is not actually a way to perfectly avoid all anxiety producing situations. Problem solving is definitely part of the treatment but not the only part.

So PP was right you just decided to trash them for zero reason. Got it.

Geez calm down. No, I don’t think PP was right. As I explained. Not sure what your agenda is but you certainly are not contributing anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

That assumes that the anxiety is irrational. If, for example, the medical condition causes frequent vomiting and the student is anxious about vomiting in class, it would be entirely reasonable and appropriate to make a plan for dealing with vomit -- alleviating the concerns.

Sure but it sounds like OP is describing something beyond that. With anxiety there is also no guarantee that you will not continue to feel anxious just because you have problem solved. And if it is a health issue like vomiting you also have to do the work of accepting “yes, it is possible I could vomit in class even if I make a good plan.” And work on tolerating that thought and the anxiety.

There is not actually a way to perfectly avoid all anxiety producing situations. Problem solving is definitely part of the treatment but not the only part.

So PP was right you just decided to trash them for zero reason. Got it.

Geez calm down. No, I don’t think PP was right. As I explained. Not sure what your agenda is but you certainly are not contributing anything.

Calm down. You were wrong. That’s too difficult to say for you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

That assumes that the anxiety is irrational. If, for example, the medical condition causes frequent vomiting and the student is anxious about vomiting in class, it would be entirely reasonable and appropriate to make a plan for dealing with vomit -- alleviating the concerns.

Sure but it sounds like OP is describing something beyond that. With anxiety there is also no guarantee that you will not continue to feel anxious just because you have problem solved. And if it is a health issue like vomiting you also have to do the work of accepting “yes, it is possible I could vomit in class even if I make a good plan.” And work on tolerating that thought and the anxiety.

There is not actually a way to perfectly avoid all anxiety producing situations. Problem solving is definitely part of the treatment but not the only part.

So PP was right you just decided to trash them for zero reason. Got it.

Geez calm down. No, I don’t think PP was right. As I explained. Not sure what your agenda is but you certainly are not contributing anything.

Calm down. You were wrong. That’s too difficult to say for you.

I wasn’t wrong at all. Not sure why you are so triggered by the most basic, universally accepted tenet of anxiety therapy (which is to not accommodate the anxiety). I don’t think anyone assumed that OP was literally doing nothing to address any practical issues. But as I said, problem solving is one part of anxiety therapy - it’s not even really the core of it, more like the way to discern between reality and anxiety. because no matter how much problem solving you do, nothing is perfect and nobody can guarantee that you will never encounter the feared situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

You do realize that OP’s question is how to help them at school. And one of the ways to help at school is to identify those things that create anxiety and address those that can be eliminated.

And OP has a senior who, if going to college, will need to hit the ground running as soon as school starts. Her child needs to get the stumbling blocks out of the way to the extent possible. It will be far worse for their mental health to be unable to go to college because they’re so busy trying to tolerate their fears that they can’t get the applications done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

You do realize that OP’s question is how to help them at school. And one of the ways to help at school is to identify those things that create anxiety and address those that can be eliminated.

And OP has a senior who, if going to college, will need to hit the ground running as soon as school starts. Her child needs to get the stumbling blocks out of the way to the extent possible. It will be far worse for their mental health to be unable to go to college because they’re so busy trying to tolerate their fears that they can’t get the applications done.

That truly, really is not the way to address anxiety. It may me a great way to set up a more intractable episode of school refusal. Yes OP needs to work the parallel track of the 504 for whatever accommodation is needed, but addressing the anxiety that is causing the panic attacks is not done through accomodations. I see you mean well but you have zero understanding of anxiety therapy. Which is why I started out saying OP needs to get a therapist who actually has an expertise in school refusal and anxiety ASAP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

If your kid told you that they were scared to ride the bus because another kid was beating them up, your first step would be to get them to "tolerate" their fear? My first step, and that of any good parent, would be to protect them from getting beaten up. If the kid is *still* scared after the threat has passed, then you work on distress tolerance, but that's not the first thing you do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

You do realize that OP’s question is how to help them at school. And one of the ways to help at school is to identify those things that create anxiety and address those that can be eliminated.

And OP has a senior who, if going to college, will need to hit the ground running as soon as school starts. Her child needs to get the stumbling blocks out of the way to the extent possible. It will be far worse for their mental health to be unable to go to college because they’re so busy trying to tolerate their fears that they can’t get the applications done.

That truly, really is not the way to address anxiety. It may me a great way to set up a more intractable episode of school refusal. Yes OP needs to work the parallel track of the 504 for whatever accommodation is needed, but addressing the anxiety that is causing the panic attacks is not done through accomodations. I see you mean well but you have zero understanding of anxiety therapy. Which is why I started out saying OP needs to get a therapist who actually has an expertise in school refusal and anxiety ASAP.

Should we all bow down to you Ms. Right and make sure we praise your amazing knowledge about how OP and every single other person in this world who has a child, parent, friend, client or whatever who suffers from panic attacks? We are all recognizing your superiority. At this point this thread is useless. Sorry OP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

If your kid told you that they were scared to ride the bus because another kid was beating them up, your first step would be to get them to "tolerate" their fear? My first step, and that of any good parent, would be to protect them from getting beaten up. If the kid is *still* scared after the threat has passed, then you work on distress tolerance, but that's not the first thing you do.

That’s not at all the situation OP described. She asked about panic attacks . The overall point is how to treat anxiety not the other accomodations which I assume OP is working on.

But FWIW I have in fact seen a child develop intractable school refusal based on some episodes of kids being mean (or perceived as mean by child.) I think all involved really wish now that the child had never been given the option not to go to school. It really ended up digging a deep hole.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

You do realize that OP’s question is how to help them at school. And one of the ways to help at school is to identify those things that create anxiety and address those that can be eliminated.

And OP has a senior who, if going to college, will need to hit the ground running as soon as school starts. Her child needs to get the stumbling blocks out of the way to the extent possible. It will be far worse for their mental health to be unable to go to college because they’re so busy trying to tolerate their fears that they can’t get the applications done.

That truly, really is not the way to address anxiety. It may me a great way to set up a more intractable episode of school refusal. Yes OP needs to work the parallel track of the 504 for whatever accommodation is needed, but addressing the anxiety that is causing the panic attacks is not done through accomodations. I see you mean well but you have zero understanding of anxiety therapy. Which is why I started out saying OP needs to get a therapist who actually has an expertise in school refusal and anxiety ASAP.

Should we all bow down to you Ms. Right and make sure we praise your amazing knowledge about how OP and every single other person in this world who has a child, parent, friend, client or whatever who suffers from panic attacks? We are all recognizing your superiority. At this point this thread is useless. Sorry OP.

It’s really weird that you’re attacking me for literally directly responding to OP’s question about panic attacks/nascent school refusal. And in the mean time offering absolutely nothing in the way of actual information or engagement with what I wrote.

meanwhile here is some information on the subject: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK534195/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

If your kid told you that they were scared to ride the bus because another kid was beating them up, your first step would be to get them to "tolerate" their fear? My first step, and that of any good parent, would be to protect them from getting beaten up. If the kid is *still* scared after the threat has passed, then you work on distress tolerance, but that's not the first thing you do.

That’s not at all the situation OP described. She asked about panic attacks . The overall point is how to treat anxiety not the other accomodations which I assume OP is working on.

But FWIW I have in fact seen a child develop intractable school refusal based on some episodes of kids being mean (or perceived as mean by child.) I think all involved really wish now that the child had never been given the option not to go to school. It really ended up digging a deep hole.

We don't know what OP's child's situation is because when a pp asked for details, you immediately jumped in to say that "alleviating the concerns" was the wrong approach, regardless of what the concerns are. And you responded to a hypothetical about a child getting beaten up on the bus to say that you would first work on your child's ability to "tolerate" conflict.

You may be right that in general parents and schools should be careful about over accommodating anxiety. But you are wrong that the burden is 100% on the anxious child to get over it and "tolerate" everything and anything.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does your child have specific fears? Is the panic because of the medical issues? Are there things you can do to alleviate the concerns?

That’s the opposite of how anxiety and panic should be treated. OP needs an anxiety expert asap.

Are you smoking crack. That PP asked questions, they didn’t suggest an intervention. Idiot.

PP suggested “alleviating concerns” which is the opposite of what should be happening. Anxiety is irrational so “alleviating concerns” only feeds it.

You not just an idiot you’re a clueless idiot.

Um ok … I am actually a person who has been extensively treated for anxiety using evidence based methods. The key to every evidence based method for addressing anxiety and panic is to learn to tolerate the anxious feelings rather than avoiding or accomodating them. Do you have a different evidence based method?

I am the PP that you trashed. I have a child who experienced such debilitating anxiety that he eventually got moved out of mainstream. I am well versed in both anxiety treatment and also in school related issues and how schools will handle things.

My questions about cause and suggestion of alleviating concerns are both right on target. Before you can work on the anxiety piece you need to make sure the school is a safe as it can be space for the student. In order to do that you need to identify specific concerns and fix what needs to be fixed. For example, if a kid is anxious because they are being beaten up on the bus, your first step isn’t to teach them to tolerate the idea that it may happen. You make the bus safe for them. If a kid is anxious about using the student bathrooms due to medical issues, you make different bathroom arrangements through the IEP or 504 process.

In order to give OP insight into what schools do beyond a flash pass, I needed information.

My first step in fact would be able to get them to tolerate fears or not reinforcing their fears (conflict, bathroom accidents) while in parallel working on the practical issues.

If your kid told you that they were scared to ride the bus because another kid was beating them up, your first step would be to get them to "tolerate" their fear? My first step, and that of any good parent, would be to protect them from getting beaten up. If the kid is *still* scared after the threat has passed, then you work on distress tolerance, but that's not the first thing you do.

That’s not at all the situation OP described. She asked about panic attacks . The overall point is how to treat anxiety not the other accomodations which I assume OP is working on.

But FWIW I have in fact seen a child develop intractable school refusal based on some episodes of kids being mean (or perceived as mean by child.) I think all involved really wish now that the child had never been given the option not to go to school. It really ended up digging a deep hole.

We don't know what OP's child's situation is because when a pp asked for details, you immediately jumped in to say that "alleviating the concerns" was the wrong approach, regardless of what the concerns are. And you responded to a hypothetical about a child getting beaten up on the bus to say that you would first work on your child's ability to "tolerate" conflict.

You may be right that in general parents and schools should be careful about over accommodating anxiety. But you are wrong that the burden is 100% on the anxious child to get over it and "tolerate" everything and anything.

I mean sure, I guess you can assume that OP has done absolutely nothing vis a vis the medical accomodation needed at school. That seems unlikely however. What OP DID describe was that her child was panicking “at the thought of going to school.”

And I’m sorry, the repeated efforts to cast what is literally THE way to treat anxiety as somehow mean or unfair just shows you literally have zero understanding or knowledge.