EPA Head Zeldin on "Ruthless" podcast

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

I am very sympathetic to your frustrations with some of the more extreme policies proposed by nihilistic climate change nuts who want to kill grandma by banning air conditioners. However, even if you don’t care or believe in climate change the actual increase in outdoor CO2 levels will become an issue to human health. Human brain functions start to become impaired around 1,000 ppm and the negative impacts increase and CO2 levels go higher. On the current trajectory outdoor CO2 levels will exceed 1,000 ppm before 2150. At 5,000 ppm and above long-term exposure will cause permanent brain damage and high enough levels become fatal. So this issue needs to be addressed in some form in the long-run purely to protect human health if nothing else.

"But CO2 is good for plants, they love it" - some MAGA climate denying moron.

Good for plants, but not good for humans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

If you believe there won't have enough energy in the future, then start talking about the dangers of bitcoin mining and datacenters holding petabytes of information.

Or... we could just build more plants. Which is what we and the rest of the world are doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

Let's break your mountain of drooling tripe down:

Climate change isn’t a fringe hypothesis, it’s a rigorously tested framework supported by over a century of data, satellite measurements, and peer-reviewed research. The term "theory" in science means a comprehensive explanation, not a wild shot-in-the-dark guess.

The idea that "no one talks about it anymore" is absolutely laughable. Climate change is front and center in global policy, economics, insurance risk modeling, military threat assessments, and disaster response planning. If anything, it’s louder than ever.

Wind and solar are outperforming expectations. They’re now the cheapest sources of new electricity in many regions, and they’re scaling faster than fossil fuels ever did. Pretending they’re a scam ignores the economic data and global investment trends.

Energy shortages? That’s a grid planning issue, not a failure of renewables. Fossil fuel volatility and climate-driven disasters are the real threats to energy security.

Al Gore didn’t radicalize anyone, he amplified what scientists had already been warning. The IPCC was founded in 1988, not by Hollywood, but by the UN and the World Meteorological Organization.

And your dippy "eat bugs" and "genocide is the new climate change" lines? They're not just stupid and tasteless, it’s a grotesque attempt to derail serious discourse with shock-jock nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Climate change - follow the money. It's all about $$$$$$.

[Anonymous]

I’m floored that at this late date there are still people denying anthropogenic climate change. All you have to do is look at summer temperatures over the last 20 years. We never had 95 degree days in New England, now they happen every year. And what about disappearing sea ice and mountain glaciers. You have to be willfully blind to deny global warming.

BTW this isn’t a new issue. Gustav Arrhenius made the first calculations of how atmospheric temperature would change if CO2 levels doubled in 1903. His calculated rise is still within the ballpark of modern climate models, and perfectly in line with the observed temperature increases since then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Climate change - follow the money. It's all about $$$$$$.

I did follow the money and it turns out the money is all in fossil fuel. They've actually spent BILLIONS of dollars promoting science denial, through lobbying, through paying sham "think tanks" like Heartland Institute and Heritage Foundation and others to pump out climate denial and disinfo 24x7.

I have yet to find a climate scientist living high on the hog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change - follow the money. It's all about $$$$$$.

I did follow the money and it turns out the money is all in fossil fuel. They've actually spent BILLIONS of dollars promoting science denial, through lobbying, through paying sham "think tanks" like Heartland Institute and Heritage Foundation and others to pump out climate denial and disinfo 24x7.

I have yet to find a climate scientist living high on the hog.

+1

[Anonymous]

Separate but related note

What makes MAGA so selfish and resistant to facts? Like how can some humans care about others and some have zero empathy and zero facts and be so oddly short-sighted?

Serious question

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Separate but related note

What makes MAGA so selfish and resistant to facts? Like how can some humans care about others and some have zero empathy and zero facts and be so oddly short-sighted?

Serious question

They were brainwashed into religious nonsense from a young age so as an adult they have broken cognitive circuits that allow them to bypass logic and rational thought while at the same time being 100% convinced that they are actually very rational and logical and it’s everyone else who is wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Separate but related note

What makes MAGA so selfish and resistant to facts? Like how can some humans care about others and some have zero empathy and zero facts and be so oddly short-sighted?

Serious question

Many reasons - Many conservatives resist climate action due to tribalism, industry influence, and ideological framing.

Tribal loyalty trumps facts: Climate science is politicized, with figures like Trump clinging to outdated myths (e.g. 1970s-era solar inefficiency, “windmills kill whales”) and cherry-picked tidbits like bird deaths, ignoring fossil fuels’ far greater impact.

Industry-funded doubt: Fossil fuel interests bankroll think tanks to sow skepticism, framing emergent clean technologies as threats - even though wind and solar create jobs, boost energy independence, and grow the economy.

Media distortion: Right-leaning media amplifies fear, uncertainty, and ridicule, painting climate advocates as elitist alarmists and reinforcing feedback loops of denial.

Distrust of regulation: Climate policy is viewed as a Trojan horse for government overreach. But nature doesn’t care about borders - atmospheric physics don’t bend to sovereignty or ideology.

Scientific illiteracy: Words like “theory” are misconstrued as guesswork, and models dismissed as speculation, despite decades of empirical validation.

Empathy gap and short-sightedness: Impacts are seen as distant, abstract or irrelevant, with little concern for future generations or vulnerable communities.

Reactionary backlash: For some, opposing climate action is just another way to “own the libs” - even if the fallout hits everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

Let's break your mountain of drooling tripe down:

Climate change isn’t a fringe hypothesis, it’s a rigorously tested framework supported by over a century of data, satellite measurements, and peer-reviewed research. The term "theory" in science means a comprehensive explanation, not a wild shot-in-the-dark guess.

The idea that "no one talks about it anymore" is absolutely laughable. Climate change is front and center in global policy, economics, insurance risk modeling, military threat assessments, and disaster response planning. If anything, it’s louder than ever.

Wind and solar are outperforming expectations. They’re now the cheapest sources of new electricity in many regions, and they’re scaling faster than fossil fuels ever did. Pretending they’re a scam ignores the economic data and global investment trends.

Energy shortages? That’s a grid planning issue, not a failure of renewables. Fossil fuel volatility and climate-driven disasters are the real threats to energy security.

Al Gore didn’t radicalize anyone, he amplified what scientists had already been warning. The IPCC was founded in 1988, not by Hollywood, but by the UN and the World Meteorological Organization.

And your dippy "eat bugs" and "genocide is the new climate change" lines? They're not just stupid and tasteless, it’s a grotesque attempt to derail serious discourse with shock-jock nonsense.

1) I stand by my prediction that climate change will not be talked about in 20 years. It will slowly recede into the background, the way that concern about the ozone layer is no longer a discussion point. These days, most kids dont know what an ozone layer is. Climate change will go the same way. This is already happening: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_050624/. Pew and others show the same trend. There's a reason politicals on the left aren't talking about.

2) the grid is a distribution system, not a generation system. It can only distribute energy that has been generated. So concerns about having enough energy cannot be addressed by grid upgrades. They can only be addressed by increasing energy capacity. I have no idea what you even mean about fossil fuel volatility and climate change disasters being the real threat to energy security. You can't power our country on unicorn farts. You have to have generation sources and we don't have enough because we've spent the past 20 years throwing all our cash at inefficient systems like solar.

3) I wouldn't have to talk about eating bugs if the left would stop pushing it. The left has serious concerns about cow-ass emissions that can be reduced if more people take on plant based diets. Fair enough, but then they went further and now argue we should eat bugs. No thanks, I am sticking to deer meat.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

Let's break your mountain of drooling tripe down:

Climate change isn’t a fringe hypothesis, it’s a rigorously tested framework supported by over a century of data, satellite measurements, and peer-reviewed research. The term "theory" in science means a comprehensive explanation, not a wild shot-in-the-dark guess.

The idea that "no one talks about it anymore" is absolutely laughable. Climate change is front and center in global policy, economics, insurance risk modeling, military threat assessments, and disaster response planning. If anything, it’s louder than ever.

Wind and solar are outperforming expectations. They’re now the cheapest sources of new electricity in many regions, and they’re scaling faster than fossil fuels ever did. Pretending they’re a scam ignores the economic data and global investment trends.

Energy shortages? That’s a grid planning issue, not a failure of renewables. Fossil fuel volatility and climate-driven disasters are the real threats to energy security.

Al Gore didn’t radicalize anyone, he amplified what scientists had already been warning. The IPCC was founded in 1988, not by Hollywood, but by the UN and the World Meteorological Organization.

And your dippy "eat bugs" and "genocide is the new climate change" lines? They're not just stupid and tasteless, it’s a grotesque attempt to derail serious discourse with shock-jock nonsense.

1) I stand by my prediction that climate change will not be talked about in 20 years. It will slowly recede into the background, the way that concern about the ozone layer is no longer a discussion point. These days, most kids dont know what an ozone layer is. Climate change will go the same way. This is already happening: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_050624/. Pew and others show the same trend. There's a reason politicals on the left aren't talking about.

2) the grid is a distribution system, not a generation system. It can only distribute energy that has been generated. So concerns about having enough energy cannot be addressed by grid upgrades. They can only be addressed by increasing energy capacity. I have no idea what you even mean about fossil fuel volatility and climate change disasters being the real threat to energy security. You can't power our country on unicorn farts. You have to have generation sources and we don't have enough because we've spent the past 20 years throwing all our cash at inefficient systems like solar.

3) I wouldn't have to talk about eating bugs if the left would stop pushing it. The left has serious concerns about cow-ass emissions that can be reduced if more people take on plant based diets. Fair enough, but then they went further and now argue we should eat bugs. No thanks, I am sticking to deer meat.

Ozone layer isn’t discussed as much because nations came together in the 1980’s to enact the Montreal Protocol, which is substantially helping the situation. BTW you sound like a complete moron. Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

Let's break your mountain of drooling tripe down:

Climate change isn’t a fringe hypothesis, it’s a rigorously tested framework supported by over a century of data, satellite measurements, and peer-reviewed research. The term "theory" in science means a comprehensive explanation, not a wild shot-in-the-dark guess.

The idea that "no one talks about it anymore" is absolutely laughable. Climate change is front and center in global policy, economics, insurance risk modeling, military threat assessments, and disaster response planning. If anything, it’s louder than ever.

Wind and solar are outperforming expectations. They’re now the cheapest sources of new electricity in many regions, and they’re scaling faster than fossil fuels ever did. Pretending they’re a scam ignores the economic data and global investment trends.

Energy shortages? That’s a grid planning issue, not a failure of renewables. Fossil fuel volatility and climate-driven disasters are the real threats to energy security.

Al Gore didn’t radicalize anyone, he amplified what scientists had already been warning. The IPCC was founded in 1988, not by Hollywood, but by the UN and the World Meteorological Organization.

And your dippy "eat bugs" and "genocide is the new climate change" lines? They're not just stupid and tasteless, it’s a grotesque attempt to derail serious discourse with shock-jock nonsense.

1) I stand by my prediction that climate change will not be talked about in 20 years. It will slowly recede into the background, the way that concern about the ozone layer is no longer a discussion point. These days, most kids dont know what an ozone layer is. Climate change will go the same way. This is already happening: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_050624/. Pew and others show the same trend. There's a reason politicals on the left aren't talking about.

2) the grid is a distribution system, not a generation system. It can only distribute energy that has been generated. So concerns about having enough energy cannot be addressed by grid upgrades. They can only be addressed by increasing energy capacity. I have no idea what you even mean about fossil fuel volatility and climate change disasters being the real threat to energy security. You can't power our country on unicorn farts. You have to have generation sources and we don't have enough because we've spent the past 20 years throwing all our cash at inefficient systems like solar.

3) I wouldn't have to talk about eating bugs if the left would stop pushing it. The left has serious concerns about cow-ass emissions that can be reduced if more people take on plant based diets. Fair enough, but then they went further and now argue we should eat bugs. No thanks, I am sticking to deer meat.

The right wing ding a longs are the only ones I have ever read or heard going on about eating bugs.
Some right wing talk radio rage monkey latched on and created their own monster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

STFU. Go away. No one wants you here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Climate change is a theory. It's not a fact. People arent obligated to go all in on your theories to give up air conditioning and eat bugs so that cows stop farting.

It’s the only theory that hasn’t been proven wrong. The only people that benefit from climate science denialism are the fossil fuel industry and real estate industry. Everyone else loses. 20% of humanity across the globe may have to move away from coastal areas due to the changes occurring.

Of course, this denialism is basically a requirement to be a Republican now.

You'd be stunned how many theories have been proven wrong.

In 20 years, no one will talk about climate change anymore. There's a reason your leftist overlords have stopped talking about it. They used it to make everyone nod along while they handed out money to make windmills and solar farms that we pretend are better for the environment than other energy generation sources. But now that it's crystal clear that we won't have enough energy in the future, they suddenly dont talk about climate change or green energy. They know they radicalized democrats with that Al Gore documentary and can't tell you its over, but its over. "Genocide" is the new "climate change," get with the program comrade.

Let's break your mountain of drooling tripe down:

Climate change isn’t a fringe hypothesis, it’s a rigorously tested framework supported by over a century of data, satellite measurements, and peer-reviewed research. The term "theory" in science means a comprehensive explanation, not a wild shot-in-the-dark guess.

The idea that "no one talks about it anymore" is absolutely laughable. Climate change is front and center in global policy, economics, insurance risk modeling, military threat assessments, and disaster response planning. If anything, it’s louder than ever.

Wind and solar are outperforming expectations. They’re now the cheapest sources of new electricity in many regions, and they’re scaling faster than fossil fuels ever did. Pretending they’re a scam ignores the economic data and global investment trends.

Energy shortages? That’s a grid planning issue, not a failure of renewables. Fossil fuel volatility and climate-driven disasters are the real threats to energy security.

Al Gore didn’t radicalize anyone, he amplified what scientists had already been warning. The IPCC was founded in 1988, not by Hollywood, but by the UN and the World Meteorological Organization.

And your dippy "eat bugs" and "genocide is the new climate change" lines? They're not just stupid and tasteless, it’s a grotesque attempt to derail serious discourse with shock-jock nonsense.

1) I stand by my prediction that climate change will not be talked about in 20 years. It will slowly recede into the background, the way that concern about the ozone layer is no longer a discussion point. These days, most kids dont know what an ozone layer is. Climate change will go the same way. This is already happening: https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/monmouthpoll_us_050624/. Pew and others show the same trend. There's a reason politicals on the left aren't talking about.

2) the grid is a distribution system, not a generation system. It can only distribute energy that has been generated. So concerns about having enough energy cannot be addressed by grid upgrades. They can only be addressed by increasing energy capacity. I have no idea what you even mean about fossil fuel volatility and climate change disasters being the real threat to energy security. You can't power our country on unicorn farts. You have to have generation sources and we don't have enough because we've spent the past 20 years throwing all our cash at inefficient systems like solar.

3) I wouldn't have to talk about eating bugs if the left would stop pushing it. The left has serious concerns about cow-ass emissions that can be reduced if more people take on plant based diets. Fair enough, but then they went further and now argue we should eat bugs. No thanks, I am sticking to deer meat.

1) Trump and McMahon are destroying education, so it’s not exactly a surprise that we won’t be discussing climate change because our children are now being taught by climate denier maga nazi trash.

2) the solution to the grid not having enough power is reducing demand not increasing generation capacity. Increasing generation invariably means more CO2. Reduce demand instead through market forces and regulation.

3) insects are a much more efficient means of converting sunlight and carbohydrates into protein than mammals, fowl or fish are. Insect based proteins are unquestionably healthier for the planet than meat based proteins. This is settled science. The fact that you even question it shows the depth of your ignorance.

Your type is dying off. In a generation you won’t even matter.