Dogs belong in rural exurbs, not in cities and inner ring burbs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many anti dog people frequent the Pet forum. If you don’t like dogs, just keep scrolling.

So many flaws in all of these supposed “solutions”.

I love dogs. They don’t belong in the city. It’s cruel to the dog and annoying and gross to everyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is my radical notion: you can have dogs in cities and dense suburbs, but we should cap how many are allowed, total.

You should have to get a license in order to own a dog within city limits. If the city had reached its allotted quota for dog adoptions for the year, you would not be granted a license and would have to try renewing your application in another year. Perhaps there would be a lottery system for licenses to make it as fair as possible. Limits would be created based on resources, including parks and sidewalks. Exemptions would be available for trained service animals (NOT emotional support dogs -- you can always get an emotional support cat or rabbit or bird, which stays indoors).

No one could have more than one dog.

To get a license, you'd have to pass a certification that showed you had basic knowledge not only of caring for a dog but also of legal requirements for ownership, including leash laws, where dogs can legally pee and defecate, your obligations for cleaning up after your dog, and applicable noise ordinances that applied to barking/whining/howling dogs. You would also sign an agreement stating you would not

All dogs would have to go through approved training courses and be signed off on by a dog trainer. A dog flagged as a potential danger would have to successfully repeat the course and if it failed a second time, its owners license would be withdrawn.

I know this will never happen but I think it's the solution. The problem is not that there are dogs. The problem is that there are too many dogs, and too many of their owners are irresponsible or negligent.

A Swedish friend told me (I did not independently verify) that there are laws in Sweden that say owners can’t leave their dogs alone for more than 5 hours. She said it’s pretty rare for families in her city to have dogs because of that. A somewhat simpler way to reduce the number of dogs I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's cruel to raise a big dog in an apartment.

I think the weight for dogs in apartments should be capped at 15-20 max.

My neighbor right now has 3 people in a 1-bedroom apartment along with a big German Shepheard that they got as a puppy. Times are tough, I get it, and I don't see anything wrong with too many people in 1 unit, but adding a dog in is cruel. And no, they didn't move in with the dog. They've lived here about 4 years now and just got the puppy around 2 years ago. It was a choice they made after moving in to add the dog.

Other apartment residents have 2 or even 3 dogs. First, wow, congrats on having some money because you have to pay a $500 per pet nonrefundable pet deposit and then $50/mo pet rent on each pet where I live. But even the biggest apartment here, 3 bedrooms, is not big enough for 3 large dogs.

I’m baffled why you think dogs need more space than people - that it’s fine to crowd people into an apartment with no space, but that’s cruel for a dog. People need space, fresh air, nature, and exercise just as much as dogs. We are all animals, after all. Why do you feel bad for the dog and not the people?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:By those arguments people shouldn’t live in cities either! Not enough exercise, not enough nature, have to hold our pee while in meetings for hours at a time.

Dogs have evolved to be human companions. They need food and exercise and of course, but mostly they need companionship to be happy. That can happen anywhere.

They make doggy shoes for hot pavement.

I think this is the problem right here. Why do we think a dog would prefer the companionship of a human over that of another dog?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's cruel to raise a big dog in an apartment.

I think the weight for dogs in apartments should be capped at 15-20 max.

My neighbor right now has 3 people in a 1-bedroom apartment along with a big German Shepheard that they got as a puppy. Times are tough, I get it, and I don't see anything wrong with too many people in 1 unit, but adding a dog in is cruel. And no, they didn't move in with the dog. They've lived here about 4 years now and just got the puppy around 2 years ago. It was a choice they made after moving in to add the dog.

Other apartment residents have 2 or even 3 dogs. First, wow, congrats on having some money because you have to pay a $500 per pet nonrefundable pet deposit and then $50/mo pet rent on each pet where I live. But even the biggest apartment here, 3 bedrooms, is not big enough for 3 large dogs.

I’m baffled why you think dogs need more space than people - that it’s fine to crowd people into an apartment with no space, but that’s cruel for a dog. People need space, fresh air, nature, and exercise just as much as dogs. We are all animals, after all. Why do you feel bad for the dog and not the people?

Because people can usually come and go from the apartment on their own, while the dog cannot?

[Anonymous]

Virtually all large dogs were bred to do a job and they go crazy if they can't do that job.
Some dogs were bred to do nothing all day but be a companion. They are called lap dogs. And that's completely fine! But many people find those dogs wimpy-looking and are trying to force a big dog into a lap dog role.
If you can restructure your life so that your big dog gets to do the job it was bred to do, good for you. The vast majority of owners don't do that.

[Anonymous]

Some people can only think of themselves and what they want. They have convinced that what they give their dog, is best for their dog.
Also, we have completely bred the wolf out of the dog. Dogs are like cats now and seem like they are happy in a small apartment.
I have several barking around me when the owners are gone too long.
At least one owner is one of those delicate people who needs the dog. I think they gave the dog an anxiety.

[Anonymous]

Idk if you think a large house and yard is what satisfies a dog I think you’re usually a really shitty owner who isn't really committed to meeting their physical and social needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it's cruel to both the dog and all of your neighbors to raise it in a city or subdivision on a tiny lot with basically no yard. The barking, lack of exercise, lack of sun, their paws on blazing hot sidewalks and pavement, only able to go outside a coupe of times a day to quickly go the bathroom (often after holding it in for a hours), and the poop and pee they leave everywhere in the city or on everyone else's small front yard.

Agree 100%.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virtually all large dogs were bred to do a job and they go crazy if they can't do that job.
Some dogs were bred to do nothing all day but be a companion. They are called lap dogs. And that's completely fine! But many people find those dogs wimpy-looking and are trying to force a big dog into a lap dog role.
If you can restructure your life so that your big dog gets to do the job it was bred to do, good for you. The vast majority of owners don't do that.

Not really. Sporting dogs were bred to lie around 90% of the time and then go for a long walk with owner and retrieve some birds. We have a big house and all my golden wants to do is lie with the same 100 square feet 99% of the time, and then go on a hike once a day. He would hate living on a farm and being forced to spend lots of time outdoors.

A Great Dane is arguably a better apartment dog that a small hyper yappy dog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Virtually all large dogs were bred to do a job and they go crazy if they can't do that job.
Some dogs were bred to do nothing all day but be a companion. They are called lap dogs. And that's completely fine! But many people find those dogs wimpy-looking and are trying to force a big dog into a lap dog role.
If you can restructure your life so that your big dog gets to do the job it was bred to do, good for you. The vast majority of owners don't do that.

Not really. Sporting dogs were bred to lie around 90% of the time and then go for a long walk with owner and retrieve some birds. We have a big house and all my golden wants to do is lie with the same 100 square feet 99% of the time, and then go on a hike once a day. He would hate living on a farm and being forced to spend lots of time outdoors.

A Great Dane is arguably a better apartment dog that a small hyper yappy dog.

My Goldens too. With good walks and retrieving daily they may as well live in a studio. They do nothing at home beside lay around and nap.

[Anonymous]

Huge dog lover here and I disagree for most dog breeds. As long as the owners don't leave them for extended periods, are committed to providing plenty of outdoor time- walking, dog park, etc. it doesn't matter if it's a small dwelling. Dogs also need to provided with mental stimulation from walk/sniffs, play/tricks, and love. Only exception is that most herding dogs and working terriers do need big yards to run around in.

[Anonymous]

My dogs are snoozing beside me now. They don’t really need space in the house.

The real problem here is people, as they are so much less pleasant than dogs. You should have to have a license to procreate.

[Anonymous]

I agree if it's a large dog like a doodle or an active dog like an Australian Shepherd. My little dog adores city life. He's small and needs very little exercise, doesn't bark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we talk about huge dogs stuck in tiny apartments with them bored and barking non-stop that's more of an issue in cities OP?

Apartments should ALL be DOG FREE. Period. Let's discuss that.

This is classist af. End of discussion.