Why did you delete the Supreme Court Clears Way for Mass Federal Layoffs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Is there a new standard for sharing opinions? I said continuing to pay people to do unnecessary jobs, just because we feel sorry for them is not a good thing. If it turns out a particular job is in fact of critical importance, people can always be rehired.

My apologies that this offended you. Perhaps I should have added: our national debt is choking us. Cuts obviously must be made, even though people will argue endlessly where to cut.

Almost everyone agrees we have massive bloat in the federal government. I don’t recall that our previous administration did much of anything to address this issue.

It’s amazing how many idiots think that if someone important is fired they can just simply be rehired. As if it’s that easy!

How many brain cells do you need to realize that people who lose jobs will find new ones, move away, and/or have their lives greatly turned upside down for no reason. The litigation could take years — if people lose their homes because they can’t pay their mortgage just “simply rehiring” them isn’t going to fix the harm that was done to them. I suspect many fired feds will not come back.

Not to mention, many federal programs will fall apart. Government does what the private sector won’t. A lot of the work is complex and relates to the wellbeing of the public.

But you are ok tossing these programs and the people who have dedicated their lives to them aside because some rich politicians who have never done a day of public service in their lives want you to take them at their word that these jobs are unnecessary.

If you are this stupid then I somehow doubt you are employed doing anything particularly relevant to society. Maybe your employer should stop paying you out of pity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The media has been terrible about this. The Supreme Court did not clear the way for the large scale RIFs. They explicitly said they did not. The order isn't long - read all the way to the end.

Layoffs belong to Congress, not the president or Musk or Vought.

Really? Tell that to the 100k+ Feds who have been RIFed despite being employed at Agencies with congressionally approved budgets.

They can read the order, it's short. It says that drafting plans is ok but implementing them is not. Also, going after OPM initially made sense but now the laid off feds need to sue every department and agency - which is happening.

FWIW the headlines I got in push notifications (during a baseball game so I hadn’t read the articles or the order yet) didn’t make that clear AT ALL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The media has been terrible about this. The Supreme Court did not clear the way for the large scale RIFs. They explicitly said they did not. The order isn't long - read all the way to the end.

Layoffs belong to Congress, not the president or Musk or Vought.

Really? Tell that to the 100k+ Feds who have been RIFed despite being employed at Agencies with congressionally approved budgets.

They can read the order, it's short. It says that drafting plans is ok but implementing them is not. Also, going after OPM initially made sense but now the laid off feds need to sue every department and agency - which is happening.

FWIW the headlines I got in push notifications (during a baseball game so I hadn’t read the articles or the order yet) didn’t make that clear AT ALL.

The Supreme Court has been playing procedural games with all of these decisions, to make it look like Trump wins but actually he didn't when you read it more closely. I sort of understand why they're trying to placate both sides but they're not helping their image among the general public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is what Musk failed to understand. You cannot do this in government, when even a short interruption in services can kill people.

Right now there are patients walking about with implanted experimental devices, cut off from their pharmacological treatment, entirely without their required medical supervision, because their NIH clinical trials were abruptly stopped. Some will die. The closing of USAID is projected to kill dozens of thousands of the most vulnerable people on earth, for ex: infants born to HIV-positive mothers in South Africa. If they do not have their life-saving treatment, 30% of them will die in a year.

All this could have been averted had federal cuts been implemented in a more thoughtful way. I do not dispute that cuts need to be made, and budgets restricted, but you don't abandon people with life-threatening needs. You finish programs, and find NGOs willing to take on some of the slack. You don't fire too many air controllers, nuclear specialists, Ebola monitors, in a insane bid to slash government expense. Hiring them back a few days or weeks later is just LETHAL INCOMPETENCE.

And you have no leg to stand on, no moral high ground, as another poster said, since this bill adds TRILLIONS to the national debt in tax cuts... for the rich! The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. All the pain and suffering and death inflicted on thousands will be for naught before the money will go to subsidize the wealthy instead of reducing the debt!

Bow your head in shame, OP. You are not worthy to debate the national debt.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is what Musk failed to understand. You cannot do this in government, when even a short interruption in services can kill people.

Right now there are patients walking about with implanted experimental devices, cut off from their pharmacological treatment, entirely without their required medical supervision, because their NIH clinical trials were abruptly stopped. Some will die. The closing of USAID is projected to kill dozens of thousands of the most vulnerable people on earth, for ex: infants born to HIV-positive mothers in South Africa. If they do not have their life-saving treatment, 30% of them will die in a year.

All this could have been averted had federal cuts been implemented in a more thoughtful way. I do not dispute that cuts need to be made, and budgets restricted, but you don't abandon people with life-threatening needs. You finish programs, and find NGOs willing to take on some of the slack. You don't fire too many air controllers, nuclear specialists, Ebola monitors, in a insane bid to slash government expense. Hiring them back a few days or weeks later is just LETHAL INCOMPETENCE.

And you have no leg to stand on, no moral high ground, as another poster said, since this bill adds TRILLIONS to the national debt in tax cuts... for the rich! The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. All the pain and suffering and death inflicted on thousands will be for naught before the money will go to subsidize the wealthy instead of reducing the debt!

Bow your head in shame, OP. You are not worthy to debate the national debt.

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Yes! + 2 million

[Anonymous]

I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

You fell for that lie? You are so, so, so wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

But what makes you think that will improve your life? Directly improve it, so much so that putting Medicaid at risk makes it worth it? What makes you go to sleep at night and think to yourself, I can finally rest well, the national debt is reduced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow. Is there a new standard for sharing opinions? I said continuing to pay people to do unnecessary jobs, just because we feel sorry for them is not a good thing. If it turns out a particular job is in fact of critical importance, people can always be rehired.

My apologies that this offended you. Perhaps I should have added: our national debt is choking us. Cuts obviously must be made, even though people will argue endlessly where to cut.

Almost everyone agrees we have massive bloat in the federal government. I don’t recall that our previous administration did much of anything to address this issue.

Written by someone / something that doesn’t understand the actual impact potential of reckless “terminate >>> re-hire for the position” plans. Too many actual human capital realities to unpack for this OP to understand how far out of his depth he truly is …

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

But what makes you think that will improve your life? Directly improve it, so much so that putting Medicaid at risk makes it worth it? What makes you go to sleep at night and think to yourself, I can finally rest well, the national debt is reduced.

What makes you think it will make your life worse? You, directly. I'm not saying it will or won't improve my life. I'm saying there is enough information for and against it that we really just need to wait.

Let me ask a hypothetical, to understand a little more about your vision in life. Would you rather A or B:

A: Trump and the GOP's decision turn out to be right, and life for most Americans (there will never be an absolute, aka...all) improves. Great economy, great jobs market, prices stabilize or reduce, etc. All the things we want.

B: Trump is wrong and everything collapses and we suffer for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

But what makes you think that will improve your life? Directly improve it, so much so that putting Medicaid at risk makes it worth it? What makes you go to sleep at night and think to yourself, I can finally rest well, the national debt is reduced.

What makes you think it will make your life worse? You, directly. I'm not saying it will or won't improve my life. I'm saying there is enough information for and against it that we really just need to wait.

Let me ask a hypothetical, to understand a little more about your vision in life. Would you rather A or B:

A: Trump and the GOP's decision turn out to be right, and life for most Americans (there will never be an absolute, aka...all) improves. Great economy, great jobs market, prices stabilize or reduce, etc. All the things we want.

B: Trump is wrong and everything collapses and we suffer for decades.

DP. The question isn’t how will an increase in the national debt make my life worse. It’s that other things in this bill DO make my life worse. Me, directly, as a federal contractor who has had dozens of coworkers laid off as a result of canceled contracts. My job is under immediate threat, costs are going up, and my kid is two years out from college with the looming insanity of the abrupt dismantling of the Dept of Education. That’s just the effects to me personally, never mind friends, family, and larger communities.

So the question is, how does the idea or even the actuality of a lowered national debt so much improve your life directly that it balances out all the negative “side effects” of what is happening? As pp said, what about it makes you sleep better at night knowing that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know I’ll be called a simpleton, but how does any of our lives improve with the diminished national debt? I’m asking seriously. Like for instance, if we actually reduced the national debt, which this bill absolutely did not do and is a fallacy, do people like this OP actually wake up and go oh my God thank God the national debt is reduced. My life is so much better?? Of course not. But other people‘s lives are so much worse because of these actions. I simply don’t understand it. I’m not saying not to have responsible government and like another poster said to reduce ethically and morally and responsibly is a good thing. But I challenge any single one of you to tell me an exact way that your life is going to be better when the national debt is reduced.

The bill make actually reduce the national date. We'll have to wait and see. The CBO did a static analysis that simply indicated the bill would increase the debt, however the dynamic analysis of the bill, which is more appropriate, does in fact show a reduction in the national debt.

But what makes you think that will improve your life? Directly improve it, so much so that putting Medicaid at risk makes it worth it? What makes you go to sleep at night and think to yourself, I can finally rest well, the national debt is reduced.

What makes you think it will make your life worse? You, directly. I'm not saying it will or won't improve my life. I'm saying there is enough information for and against it that we really just need to wait.

Let me ask a hypothetical, to understand a little more about your vision in life. Would you rather A or B:

A: Trump and the GOP's decision turn out to be right, and life for most Americans (there will never be an absolute, aka...all) improves. Great economy, great jobs market, prices stabilize or reduce, etc. All the things we want.

B: Trump is wrong and everything collapses and we suffer for decades.

I'm the PP you responded to. My life is worse already. My job was terminated when federal contracts were terminated.
And your two choices are ridiculous because they are compounded assumptions. But of course I want our country not to collapse. But he's already set it up to do just that. I stand by the "national debt" being something that doesn't in fact make anyone's personal life better or worse.