Missed Level IV Appeal, not sure what to do now - 2E rising 3rd grader, can anyone advise?

[Anonymous]

Any chance you could advocate for the IEP team to say he should be placed in AAP center? I wonder if that might give you a hook to get around the appeal deadlines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here:

Thanks for all the input. We didn’t actually get scores from the private testing (to the pp who asked how they were). Once it became clear what was happening, the psychologist stopped the testing and said it was invalid.

He was actually faking two different kinds of disabilities and I don’t know enough to know what they would be called. One was mixing up numbers. He told her “sometimes I mix up 3s and 6s” and then every time he had to do something involving a 3 he incorporated a 6 and versa. That was the one that she said must have been hard to pull off. So he would write 2+ 3 =8 for example. 18/3=3. He had two sets of numbers that he did this with.

The other one was giving inaccurate definitions of words that were the opposite of the actual definition. One for example was an island and he said land surrounded by more land.

It was the numbers one that she was very confused about because he pulled it off so perfectly and called to her very earnestly - like the “sometimes I mix up..” line. It was so believable that even in the waiting room I started thinking to myself, how the hell did I miss this and felt like a horrible mom. They don’t have math homework, so I started doing down a rabbit hole in my head about how I really must have missed it because we don’t do any math enrichment with him and this poor kid how did nobody notice.. 🙄

1511 here. I could see my kid doing this. He's gotten better as he has gotten older but he still is totally out of step with his class. He just finished 6th grade with the new ELA curriculum and noped a number of the assignments and also wrote essays about different topics than the assigned ones.

Elementary school has been an experience. I have no idea how middle school will go.

[Anonymous]

I'm not convinced aap is the right placement for this child. There is some level of needing to understand norms and conform that make the class run at an accelerated pace that he might not pick up on.

[Anonymous]

Very surprised at how quickly people are to call this kind of behavior "genius" Doesn't every kid play pretend?

[Anonymous]

He might not belong in AAP, OP. I'm not why you're convinced that he belongs there if he was rejected in the first place and you don't have any test results to back up your assertion.

[Anonymous]

14:57 - I think you missed that I now have test results from Fairfax County and his iReady from spring.

That said, I don't know that he "belongs" in AAP, but I do think he would do better in AAP than a general education classroom. I think that's his best option within the constraints that exist.

Where he actually belongs is the 2e center that doesn't exist yet.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not convinced aap is the right placement for this child. There is some level of needing to understand norms and conform that make the class run at an accelerated pace that he might not pick up on.

OP here: I totally agree with you on this and have the same concern. But he doesn't pick up on it in Gen Ed either, so I thought maybe if he's interested and gets to deep dive, that would get us somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not convinced aap is the right placement for this child. There is some level of needing to understand norms and conform that make the class run at an accelerated pace that he might not pick up on.

15:11 here again. We are at a center school that is pretty traditional, long-standing, and to more extent than some others, has a bit more of an "old-fashioned" gifted program feel to it. Which explains why my so-far-out-of-the-box-he's-in-the-next-building DS did well there. At some of the newer center or LLIV programs that are only advanced academics, ymmv.

[Anonymous]

I would make sure he is in advanced math and then reapply next year. I don’t think you can do anything about it for the coming year.

I have 3 kids in AAP. There was a super smart, but child with SN, at our old school. He was never admitted into AAP despite parents appealing. He would win the spelling bee, was in advanced math, very knowledgeable, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any chance you could advocate for the IEP team to say he should be placed in AAP center? I wonder if that might give you a hook to get around the appeal deadlines.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous things I’ve seen posted here.

[Anonymous]

The problem with having him identified with autism and Pathological Demand Avoidance is that the school will reduce demands due to the PDA. What you want is to increase the coursework demands, not decrease them. Telling the school about the PDA may not get you the outcome you are looking for.

If you have a local center, you may be able to ask for Principal Placement.

[Anonymous]

Other than the tester, has he been diagnosed by a clinician with anything beyond autism? What were the tests and score areas he scored as highly gifted?

[Anonymous]

Not the end of the world. Parent of TJ grad kid here. Kid was in AAP program since 3rd grade. Classmates who stayed in regular program excelled too. They got into excellent colleges. In the end it didn’t seem to make a big difference.
Or apply again next year. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not the end of the world. Parent of TJ grad kid here. Kid was in AAP program since 3rd grade. Classmates who stayed in regular program excelled too. They got into excellent colleges. In the end it didn’t seem to make a big difference.
Or apply again next year. Good luck!

In the grand scheme of things, nothing matters.

In the meantime, AAP can be important for some children and really has nothing at all to do with high school or college. AAP has to do with 3rd grade, 4th grade, 5th and 6th.

OP, you cannot ask for AAP in an IEP but you can talk to the principal about it. That would be the place to start. The principal, the AART, and counselor and school psychologist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:14:57 - I think you missed that I now have test results from Fairfax County and his iReady from spring.

That said, I don't know that he "belongs" in AAP, but I do think he would do better in AAP than a general education classroom. I think that's his best option within the constraints that exist.

Where he actually belongs is the 2e center that doesn't exist yet.

NP Your post said he had 98% on Iready, but also said he got 13% on some sections of standardized tests. It’s unclear from your post if he has any gifted standardized scores or if the tester concluded giftedness because he faked a disability for a long period of time during testing. Did his wisc show profound giftedness? If so, reapply next year with wisc, and hopefully more consistent scores from the school year and teacher feedback that show he needs full time AAP programming.