Handball or no handball (Gold Cup)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

The Mexican player reached down. Placed his hand on the ball. Stopped the ball from moving. Then pushed themselves up again while still with his hand on the ball. Then removed his hand from the ball and dribbled off.

I dont know why people think it was a hand ball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

The Mexican player reached down. Placed his hand on the ball. Stopped the ball from moving. Then pushed themselves up again while still with his hand on the ball. Then removed his hand from the ball and dribbled off.

I dont know why people think it was a hand ball.

Same people who think boot-ball is soccer and calls assistant Referee a side-judge

[Anonymous]

Ref didn't think it was a handball under current rules. VAR reviewed it and agreed. What else do you want?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

Have you ever seen an NFL review? Good luck getting 100 people to agree on the outcome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, looks like he aims his hand at the ball so it should be a handball.

Now if someone could post the foul on Luna— I heard that call was even worse.

Yeah, the handball was egregious but so the phantom foul call that led to the free kick from which Mexico scored was even worse and could have been a yellow for the Mexican player for simulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

Have you ever seen an NFL review? Good luck getting 100 people to agree on the outcome.

Don't need 100
Need the experts assigned the job to make the decision. That's the design.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, looks like he aims his hand at the ball so it should be a handball.

Now if someone could post the foul on Luna— I heard that call was even worse.

Yeah, the handball was egregious but so the phantom foul call that led to the free kick from which Mexico scored was even worse and could have been a yellow for the Mexican player for simulation.

If it was egregious, it would have been called a penalty.

[Anonymous]

The people who come on here and say the ref and VAR made a call and therefore the call must be right are just bizarre— like are you Concacaf bots or something??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

Have you ever seen an NFL review? Good luck getting 100 people to agree on the outcome.

This does sound like the NFL -- was it a catch or was it not a catch. By the rules it sounds like this was not a penalty. People don't like it but those are the way the rules are enforced. In the NFL also people's views are biased based on when they played football or when they first watched football. The rules and guidance are different and have changed. Same in soccer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The people who come on here and say the ref and VAR made a call and therefore the call must be right are just bizarre— like are you Concacaf bots or something??

So who has more information to make the correct call than the Ref, Assistant Refs and VAR Refs?

dcum? lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not a handball.

For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit. Not every touch of a player’s hand/arm with the ball is an offence.

It is an offence if a player:

* deliberately touches the ball with their hand/arm, for example moving the hand/arm towards the ball

He deliberately put his arm down on top of the ball to support himself and then kept it there to push off and regain balance

That fits what you just put it there

Who in the Wide World of Sports deliberately places a hand on a round movable object to steady and support themselves when falling?

The Mexican player because he certainly was looking directly at the ball (the video confirms that) and he certainly used the ball as leverage to push himself back up (video confirms that)

If he wasn’t looking at the ball or if he touched the ball as he was falling and then actually fell then I get the no call…but this was not that

You cannot allow a player who was falling (one knee first down) to look at the ball, have his hand palm the ball, and use the ball as leverage to get himself up!!!

That’s what happened…it’s right there

There is no video of him falling and accidentally “touching” the ball…if that’s how you are viewing it your biased

If that's what happened, the rules expert Referee and rule experts VAR Referees looking at it repeatedly in slow motion and regular speed would have given a penalty.

You're emotionally creating a scenario that fits your needs

I don’t support the us national team. We all of eyes.

Well then, we all have eyes, so we're all better rules experts than the actual experts

Have you ever seen an NFL review? Good luck getting 100 people to agree on the outcome.

This does sound like the NFL -- was it a catch or was it not a catch. By the rules it sounds like this was not a penalty. People don't like it but those are the way the rules are enforced. In the NFL also people's views are biased based on when they played football or when they first watched football. The rules and guidance are different and have changed. Same in soccer.

Yes, exactly. This is kinda like the Tuck Rule in the NFL.
Just because, logically, it looks like it should be called one way doesn't mean that's how the rules are written. Or in this case, how the refs are told to apply the rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who come on here and say the ref and VAR made a call and therefore the call must be right are just bizarre— like are you Concacaf bots or something??

So who has more information to make the correct call than the Ref, Assistant Refs and VAR Refs?

dcum? lol

You are right— concacaf refs/VAR never make wrong calls. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who come on here and say the ref and VAR made a call and therefore the call must be right are just bizarre— like are you Concacaf bots or something??

So who has more information to make the correct call than the Ref, Assistant Refs and VAR Refs?

dcum? lol

You are right— concacaf refs/VAR never make wrong calls. Lol

PP said they have the best information.
Knowledge, expertise and technology.

You're saying wrong or right.
You're not an expert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who come on here and say the ref and VAR made a call and therefore the call must be right are just bizarre— like are you Concacaf bots or something??

So who has more information to make the correct call than the Ref, Assistant Refs and VAR Refs?

dcum? lol

You are right— concacaf refs/VAR never make wrong calls. Lol

PP said they have the best information.
Knowledge, expertise and technology.

You're saying wrong or right.
You're not an expert

Literally no one except someone who works for concacaf would try to argue that concacaf refs never make a mistake