Crew recruit at a top college

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All these answers are anecdotal based on the ONE person you know. My DD is at a top NESCAC crew team and there’s no way any recruited girl will get on the team with no water experience or not being athletic.
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Anonymous wrote:Is 5'9 tall enough for a boy?


Too short for rower and too tall for cox.

Top teams will have strict cutoffs depending on what they need to add to a team.

Lightweights are going away.
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Anonymous wrote:All these answers are anecdotal based on the ONE person you know. My DD is at a top NESCAC crew team and there’s no way any recruited girl will get on the team with no water experience or not being athletic.


Seriously! The coach may have said to the kid, please come and you’ll have a spot on our novice squad. But I seriously doubt any coach would use one of their recruitment slots for a kid who may never become a good rower.

As for runners making good rowers…sort of. Runners are generally light and small, and great rowers are heavy (not fat) and tall, so the body shape is kind of opposite. But certainly runners are conditioned for the hard work of the erg, so they have that advantage.

The “rowers don’t need to be athletic” thing is so odd - rowing is the single best full body conditioning there is, both strength and cardio and once. I saw a study recently looking at the amount of muscle pre-historic women used to carry, and as a baseline for current muscular/strong women they used rowers. You’re not making any college boat unless you are seriously strong.
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Anonymous wrote:Is 5'9 tall enough for a boy?


Too short for rower and too tall for cox.

Top teams will have strict cutoffs depending on what they need to add to a team.

Lightweights are going away. [/quote

Agreed, this is kind of an awkward spot for a boy.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Is 5'9 tall enough for a boy?


For DIII yes, not for D1/Ivy/D2
Anonymous
Lightweight boys at my D1 were 5”11 to 6”2. Heavyweight was pretty much 6”3+, with most being around 6”5-7.
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Anonymous wrote:Ivy recruiting has tightened up significantly in recent years. You really need to be tall, lean and have the right types of muscle fibers (strong but not bulky) that respond well to an erg. For women's lightweight running it's often champion long distance runners who turn out to be excellent ergers out-of-the-gate. Jackson Reed has had two of them in recent years---each a very top runner (think best in DC) who then trying rowing and turned out to be a top rower---one now at Harvard, one to Stanford (both on lightweight teams).


Runners make terrible rowers. Ergs don't float. Now SWIMMERS? I'd take them any day of the week.
I'm glad for those kids that they turned out excellent, but as a rule, runners aren't who I'd pick.

Signed,
Rowing Coach of 15 years
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Anonymous wrote:Is 5'9 tall enough for a boy?


No.

6 feet wasn’t at our HS or Ivy.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is 5'9 tall enough for a boy?


No.

6 feet wasn’t at our HS or Ivy.


^our HS is a big feeder to Ivy/top school crew teams
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Anonymous wrote:What does it take in addition to ERG time and winning races? For top 10 colleges, are there rough guidelines for grades, SAT/ACT cutoff? How about height? For boys or girls. TIA


For girls, next to nothing. I know a girl from our HS who was not very athletic at all. Was cut from other team sports. But rowed crew. She's super tall, which I understand helps, but that's it. She won no awards or anything like that. Just rowed at a mediocre level. And she's very smart. But it got her into at TIPPY TOP D1 program (think, Ivy, MIT). The only other kids I know who got in to this school, and other similar schools, were also crew. Their parents plainly stated that they gamed this to make it happen and push them over the edge in admissions (among applicants who are all smart). Good for them, I guess.


If the kid is good enough at crew to be recruited, is it really gaming the system any more than any other sports recruit is gaming the system? This kid found a sport they were good at and presumably worked hard at it.


Therein is the issue, though. She really didn't. She had zero accolades to speak of as a result. The bar for female crew is much lower than other sports. This is well known and they took advantage of that. Fine. My kid was not gearing for the school this kid was accepted to and recruited for. And we don't hate the player, but hate the game. That said, it WAS easier to manipulate the kid's acceptance knowing this. The parents don't deny it.
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Anonymous wrote:What does it take in addition to ERG time and winning races? For top 10 colleges, are there rough guidelines for grades, SAT/ACT cutoff? How about height? For boys or girls. TIA


For girls, next to nothing. I know a girl from our HS who was not very athletic at all. Was cut from other team sports. But rowed crew. She's super tall, which I understand helps, but that's it. She won no awards or anything like that. Just rowed at a mediocre level. And she's very smart. But it got her into at TIPPY TOP D1 program (think, Ivy, MIT). The only other kids I know who got in to this school, and other similar schools, were also crew. Their parents plainly stated that they gamed this to make it happen and push them over the edge in admissions (among applicants who are all smart). Good for them, I guess.


If the kid is good enough at crew to be recruited, is it really gaming the system any more than any other sports recruit is gaming the system? This kid found a sport they were good at and presumably worked hard at it.


Therein is the issue, though. She really didn't. She had zero accolades to speak of as a result. The bar for female crew is much lower than other sports. This is well known and they took advantage of that. Fine. My kid was not gearing for the school this kid was accepted to and recruited for. And we don't hate the player, but hate the game. That said, it WAS easier to manipulate the kid's acceptance knowing this. The parents don't deny it.



The bar is lower in that it's not like soccer or lacrosse which basically require that you started playing by age 6 if you want to play in college.
Rowing for girls (or boys) is sort of like football is for boys---you can start in 9th grade and if you're athletic you can be a recruit by 11th grade.

That said, the girls who are recruited for rowing are super athletic. The only exception is those who are 6'2" or similar. They can catch a break.
But the rest of the recruits are very, very athletic. I have a daughter who is a life-long soccer player and runner and she started rowing freshman year and she's really terrible on the erg. There is one girl (out of 15 or so) on her team who is a pheomenol erger and she is a super athlete.
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Anonymous wrote:What does it take in addition to ERG time and winning races? For top 10 colleges, are there rough guidelines for grades, SAT/ACT cutoff? How about height? For boys or girls. TIA


For girls, next to nothing. I know a girl from our HS who was not very athletic at all. Was cut from other team sports. But rowed crew. She's super tall, which I understand helps, but that's it. She won no awards or anything like that. Just rowed at a mediocre level. And she's very smart. But it got her into at TIPPY TOP D1 program (think, Ivy, MIT). The only other kids I know who got in to this school, and other similar schools, were also crew. Their parents plainly stated that they gamed this to make it happen and push them over the edge in admissions (among applicants who are all smart). Good for them, I guess.


I’m that parent! Our town has a crew team. I’ve got a concept 2 in our tv room and one daughter who is 5’10” and didn’t have a chance of starting on our varsity soccer team, so she’s doing crew. She visited gtown last fall and really liked it. I told her - your best shot to get in is crew. Get good grades and keep rowing.
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Anonymous wrote:What does it take in addition to ERG time and winning races? For top 10 colleges, are there rough guidelines for grades, SAT/ACT cutoff? How about height? For boys or girls. TIA


For girls, next to nothing. I know a girl from our HS who was not very athletic at all. Was cut from other team sports. But rowed crew. She's super tall, which I understand helps, but that's it. She won no awards or anything like that. Just rowed at a mediocre level. And she's very smart. But it got her into at TIPPY TOP D1 program (think, Ivy, MIT). The only other kids I know who got in to this school, and other similar schools, were also crew. Their parents plainly stated that they gamed this to make it happen and push them over the edge in admissions (among applicants who are all smart). Good for them, I guess.


A girl who just graduated with DD was recruited to a D1 rowing program without ever having been on the water. I do think she had some training on an erg, though. I didn't dig for specifics, but she's a heck of a hockey player and has got that long and strong build that rowing seems to favor.


Long and strong is still the main criteria for women's crew. I know of volleyball players being approached for crew recruiting along with a couple of D1 players moving from VB to crew.
Anonymous
Height and 2K erg time are the two most important factors for recruiting. Plus you need to meet whatever academic and testing criteria the school has. But generally the better athlete you are, then the lower your academics and testing can be.

Winning races doesn't actually matter that much, especially not in 8's. Some great rowers come from teams that don't place well, but they're still recruited to Ivy League and other great schools/teams.

Athletes who swim or play volleyball can often transfer skills well. The desired build is tall and very muscular. The best rowers often have thicker builds, much to the chagrin of my long and lean DD.

While it doesn't happen often, occasionally top schools will recruit someone with the right build and a spectacular erg time who doesn't have much experience on the water. It's easier to teach technique than to build that kind of strength and endurance.

Good luck to all recruits!
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Honest answer.

Full pay.
Ideally a girl
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