Time Trials - Heat sheets?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

Ours is a huge secret. No times are ever shared.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

Ours is a huge secret. No times are ever shared.

OKM Poster are heat sheets shared the night prior or day of the time trial? or is Secrecy an sop in the NVSL in B meets and time trials?

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We're MCSL. Time trials heat sheet with existing times from last year (for kids who didn't age up) went out completely pre-seeded to the whole team this morning. We do swim IM as well. Coaches have already kept some of the kids out of strokes they know they won't need them to swim next week, in order to save slots at TT (they'll get those times at the next B meet or 2). We'll start by 9, be done by 12 or earlier. Cafe is making breakfast. Everyone is looking forward to it!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

OKM has historically distributed it ahead of time. OKM also shares the ladder after every meet, so we all know times. It’s a very transparent team.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

OKM has historically distributed it ahead of time. OKM also shares the ladder after every meet, so we all know times. It’s a very transparent team.

I wish the other pools in OKMS followed the same protocol, but it seems only those with privileged access are aware of it at our pool.

[Anonymous]

We sometimes use heat sheets. As a stroke and turn judge I prefer beta sheets so DQ’s go faster. However, even with heat sheets there isn’t always seeding by time. My A meet swimmer was in the first heat for everything with the kids who were barely legal and it was such a pain. She wants to race her friends that her lace so they can all get best times. And slower kids enjoy saying “I won my heat”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We don’t do IM in TT, so usually 2.5 hours for TT with most kids swimming all four strokes. For B meets, it’s about the same, even with IM and another team’s swimmers.

Nice and your a D1 Team so the group must be large maybe others can follow your example . I know I would appreciate it.

For B Meets, I suspect it takes a lot of organization and prodding the other team to share times/ensure all kids who are on the heat sheet will actually be there. There are hard deadlines to register for the B Meets. OKM collapses 9-12 kids (girls and boys) and 13U kids (girls and boys, although those seem to naturally fall into girl heats and boy heats) into heats by time. We use the same officials as A meets and they are very fast and efficient meets.

Do you also consolidate the 9-12s in time trials?

I don’t think so. Time Trials is tricky because they use last year’s best times, but some of our 12Us swim club and those times aren’t correct. This said, there may be enough parity with the club swimmers to fill one heat of, let’s say, 9-10 girls or 11-12 girls, so using last summer’s times may not really matter since they’ve all been swimming consistently. (I don’t know if that makes sense.)

Do you distribute the heat sheets prior to the time trials ? Like the night or day before? It’s always a “ big secret “ at our pool ..

OKM has historically distributed it ahead of time. OKM also shares the ladder after every meet, so we all know times. It’s a very transparent team.

I wish the other pools in OKMS followed the same protocol, but it seems only those with privileged access are aware of it at our pool.

OKM's Division correction

[Anonymous]

We have heat sheets but kids are randomly assigned (no seed times)

We have hard deadlines for registering for all meets including time trials. I imagine if a new family missed a deadline they’d work the kid in if there were any empty lanes

[Anonymous]

MCSL pool. TT is treated like all other meets, have to declare swimmers by Thursday, heat sheets sent Friday night. Ever person is given NT as their time and lanes/heats are randomly assigned for the most part. This seems like the fairest, most efficient way to do it. Teams has about 200 kids. Takes about 3.5-4 hours.

[Anonymous]

We got through time trials in 2.2 hours even with a 40 minute rain delay. We had about 130 swimmers. We had some older swimmers out (not sure how many, maybe 20?). I heard parents saying that the SAT for sophomores and juniors was yesterday. Our team uses heat sheets and combines genders and 13-18 kids. Our officials are top notch and run meets like PVS. (I half expected dive-over starts, ha ha.) There were only a few empty lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:We got through time trials in [EDIT: 2.8 hours] even with a 40 minute rain delay. We had about 130 swimmers. We had some older swimmers out (not sure how many, maybe 20?). I heard parents saying that the SAT for sophomores and juniors was yesterday. Our team uses heat sheets and combines genders and 13-18 kids. Our officials are top notch and run meets like PVS. (I half expected dive-over starts, ha ha.) There were only a few empty lanes.

EDIT: **2.8 hours** (2 hours, 40 minutes minus 40 minute thunder delay)

[Anonymous]

Reading these threads continues to blow my mind. We seed our time trials (times from last year or NT) and have heat sheets sent out Friday evening. They're also all loaded into Meet Mobile (with MM updated during TT).

There maybe were a few no shows, but by and large the heats were full (or combined in a couple instances). No IM, but coaches had all swimmers do all four strokes (they could do legally - so a lot of 8&u just did free and back). 175ish person team and we finished in just under 3 hours.

So results are in MM, posted on the pool house, and sent out by coaches on Sunday.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, OKM does. OKM uses heat sheets for every meet, from TT to B meets.

Nice how long does it take to do entire time trials from 8 and under 15-18 all 4 strokes + IM?

We have 170ish on our teams and use heat sheets for all meets. Time Trials with 4 strokes + IM runs from 4 hours and 15 minutes to 4 and half hours depending on DQs.

Obviously the size of the team makes a difference. We also start the meet earlier than 9 am.