Takoma Park ES, MS and Montgomery Blair -- Thoughts?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Sligo Creek french immersion kids also attend SSIMs, whether or not they are zoned for it.

One strategy parents use is to apply to all the language lotteries. That is, if you don't have a preference for Spanish over French or vice versa. Because so many apply, this increases your chances of getting into at least one program.


This is correct, unless they opt to attend their zoned home middle school (their choice) or a magnet (if they get in).


The language immersion programs are for elementary, not middle, school.
Anonymous
The immersion programs do continue into middle and high school but they are no longer "immersion." Having been immersed, the kids are able to take more advanced classes in the language.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Sligo Creek french immersion kids also attend SSIMs, whether or not they are zoned for it.

One strategy parents use is to apply to all the language lotteries. That is, if you don't have a preference for Spanish over French or vice versa. Because so many apply, this increases your chances of getting into at least one program.


This is correct, unless they opt to attend their zoned home middle school (their choice) or a magnet (if they get in).


The language immersion programs are for elementary, not middle, school.


French Immersion parent and previous poster here. Actually, you are wrong. The reference to SSIMS above refers to middle school, not elementary school, and SSIMS does indeed run a continuation of the French Immersion program that the kids attended in elementary school. Language immersion programs do continue in middle school, albeit at a reduced/partial level.

So, a child who completes elementary school at Sligo Creek's FI program may go to the immersion program continuation at SSIMS (that is, the MIDDLE SCHOOL immersion offering), or at a magnet if admitted, or back to his/her home middle school.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Sligo Creek french immersion kids also attend SSIMs, whether or not they are zoned for it.

One strategy parents use is to apply to all the language lotteries. That is, if you don't have a preference for Spanish over French or vice versa. Because so many apply, this increases your chances of getting into at least one program.


This is correct, unless they opt to attend their zoned home middle school (their choice) or a magnet (if they get in).


The language immersion programs are for elementary, not middle, school.


French Immersion parent and previous poster here. Actually, you are wrong. The reference to SSIMS above refers to middle school, not elementary school, and SSIMS does indeed run a continuation of the French Immersion program that the kids attended in elementary school. Language immersion programs do continue in middle school, albeit at a reduced/partial level.

So, a child who completes elementary school at Sligo Creek's FI program may go to the immersion program continuation at SSIMS (that is, the MIDDLE SCHOOL immersion offering), or at a magnet if admitted, or back to his/her home middle school.


We looked at SSIMS as an option, and while a few classes were in a foreign language, not all were. To me that's not immersion. My kid did immersion in ES and had all classes, except for art, music and gym, in the immersion language. DC even did math in the immersion language in ES, until 5th grade when DC was bumped 2 years ahead and had to walk over to SSIMS for math - which was in english.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The Sligo Creek french immersion kids also attend SSIMs, whether or not they are zoned for it.

One strategy parents use is to apply to all the language lotteries. That is, if you don't have a preference for Spanish over French or vice versa. Because so many apply, this increases your chances of getting into at least one program.


This is correct, unless they opt to attend their zoned home middle school (their choice) or a magnet (if they get in).


The language immersion programs are for elementary, not middle, school.


French Immersion parent and previous poster here. Actually, you are wrong. The reference to SSIMS above refers to middle school, not elementary school, and SSIMS does indeed run a continuation of the French Immersion program that the kids attended in elementary school. Language immersion programs do continue in middle school, albeit at a reduced/partial level.

So, a child who completes elementary school at Sligo Creek's FI program may go to the immersion program continuation at SSIMS (that is, the MIDDLE SCHOOL immersion offering), or at a magnet if admitted, or back to his/her home middle school.


We looked at SSIMS as an option, and while a few classes were in a foreign language, not all were. To me that's not immersion. My kid did immersion in ES and had all classes, except for art, music and gym, in the immersion language. DC even did math in the immersion language in ES, until 5th grade when DC was bumped 2 years ahead and had to walk over to SSIMS for math - which was in english.


I didn't say it was immersion. I said it was a continuation of the immersion program. I too have had children in the French Immersion program, so am intimately familiar with what immersion is and isn't.

What does your child's math placement have to do with what we are discussing?
Anonymous
To 15:24 -- I guess I'm going to have to ask you to explain how, in the same breath, you can tell me I'm "wrong" about SSIMS *not* being immersion (the point I made that you criticized) and then go on to split some hairs about "immersion continuation."

I don't think SSIMS itself says it's immersion.

I mentioned my kid's math placement to make a point about math at SSIMS being in English, not a foreign language. I'm pretty sure you knew the point I was making. Why so consistently rude?
Anonymous
Honestly, rereading your post and mine, I'm not coming back to see your answer. Gratuitous jerkiness (whether or not accompanied be mutations in your arguments) is what's wrong with DCUM. I was almost out the door already because of the sheer b*tchiness of some of the posters on this board, and I think you've done it for me.

No, I don't expect you to cry for me. I'm just glad to be outta here!!
Anonymous
Hello, SSIMS is a partial immersion program. This means that for the classes that are part of the program (I think social studies and science?) they are entirely in Spanish.

Anonymous
The French and Spanish partial immersion programs for grades 6 to 8 include language arts (aligned to the English curriculum for each grade level with grammar instruction infused so that students are prepared for the level 1 through 3 exams each year) and world studies (grade 6-8 for French, 6-7 for Spanish). If students continue the program as it was designed K-8, they will be on track for AP Language in 11th grade; and they should do extremely well on the exam.

Some links from the MCPS and SSI web sites:
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/languages/programs/
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/ssims/specialprograms/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:To 15:24 -- I guess I'm going to have to ask you to explain how, in the same breath, you can tell me I'm "wrong" about SSIMS *not* being immersion (the point I made that you criticized) and then go on to split some hairs about "immersion continuation."

I don't think SSIMS itself says it's immersion.

I mentioned my kid's math placement to make a point about math at SSIMS being in English, not a foreign language. I'm pretty sure you knew the point I was making. Why so consistently rude?


I don't know why your panties are in a wad, or why you cited your kid's math placement. We all agree that SSIMS classes are in English, with some foreign language classes for the immersion (yes, immersion) kids. It is not splitting hairs to say that SSIMS offers immersion programs. Indeed, on that score, SSIMS itself does say that it offers immersion:

http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/ssims/specialprograms/immersion/

Language Immersion Programs: French and Spanish

"Immersion is a method of foreign language instruction in which the regular school curriculum is taught in another language. A two-period block of instruction enables students to enhance their language development as well as complete the social studies courses in French and Spanish." -

-Montgomery County Public Schools Special Programs


The fact that it is not complete immersion, as it is in elementary school, is beside the point.

I could have been more clear, but wasn't rude, and wasn't a "jerk" in my posts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The French and Spanish partial immersion programs for grades 6 to 8 include language arts (aligned to the English curriculum for each grade level with grammar instruction infused so that students are prepared for the level 1 through 3 exams each year) and world studies (grade 6-8 for French, 6-7 for Spanish). If students continue the program as it was designed K-8, they will be on track for AP Language in 11th grade; and they should do extremely well on the exam.

Some links from the MCPS and SSI web sites:
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/languages/programs/
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/ssims/specialprograms/


Thank you.
Anonymous
Why has this gotten so off track?

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Why has this gotten so off track?



Because 12:06 has a bee in her bonnet? And she is taking a freight train/out-of-my-way approach that has shut down all other discussion?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

I don't know why your panties are in a wad, or why you cited your kid's math placement. We all agree that SSIMS classes are in English, with some foreign language classes for the immersion. ...

I could have been more clear, but wasn't rude, and wasn't a "jerk" in my posts.


Classic! Not only is she rude, she clearly has no sense of irony. That, or she can't remember the rude things she posted just a few minutes previously.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The French and Spanish partial immersion programs for grades 6 to 8 include language arts (aligned to the English curriculum for each grade level with grammar instruction infused so that students are prepared for the level 1 through 3 exams each year) and world studies (grade 6-8 for French, 6-7 for Spanish). If students continue the program as it was designed K-8, they will be on track for AP Language in 11th grade; and they should do extremely well on the exam.

Some links from the MCPS and SSI web sites:
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/languages/programs/
http://montgomeryschoolsmd.org/schools/ssims/specialprograms/


So if I understand this correctly, kids at SSIMS take:
(1) language arts in the target language, and
(2) world studies in the target language.

I wouldn't call (1) immersion, exactly, because every language class I've ever attended or seen is taught in the target language - this is only natural. The kids may have advanced language skills relative to other kids their age. But that doesn't change the fact that it's a language class, or the expectation that the language class be taught in the given language whether it's at SSIMS or somewhere else in MoCo.

So there is one "immersion" course in the target language? Or is the "immersion" component bigger, because the post I cited didn't mention other courses?
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