This is why I won't do an international adoption

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's awful. Imagine if we shipped out kids in foster care to be adopted in another country because it would cost less than keeping them in foster care? And their parents just ... lost touch. Man, just when I'm thinking our US gov't is awful, South Korea says hold my beer.

The point of adoption vs. foster care is to give permanent homes.

Foster care is temporary and family reunion is the goal.
Adoption is meant to provide a family when there isn’t one, not to take away a family

Except in the US. Here, you can pay for a baby if you have the right connections to the "supply" and have enough money for a private adoption. I know someone who adopted a child and the two teen parents were rewarded financially - but it was done skillfully by the shady lawyer. In that case, the child's family WAS taken away - because the prospect of money was dangled in front of two teenagers eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's awful. Imagine if we shipped out kids in foster care to be adopted in another country because it would cost less than keeping them in foster care? And their parents just ... lost touch. Man, just when I'm thinking our US gov't is awful, South Korea says hold my beer.

The point of adoption vs. foster care is to give permanent homes.

Foster care is temporary and family reunion is the goal.
Adoption is meant to provide a family when there isn’t one, not to take away a family

Except in the US. Here, you can pay for a baby if you have the right connections to the "supply" and have enough money for a private adoption. I know someone who adopted a child and the two teen parents were rewarded financially - but it was done skillfully by the shady lawyer. In that case, the child's family WAS taken away - because the prospect of money was dangled in front of two teenagers eyes.

Certain states like CA and FL are well know for that. And, there are lots of shady adoptions. It’s frustrating as even of the courts know they often allow it.

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There is a whole thread on this.
It focused on medical professionals and their involvement as well

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a whole thread on this.
It focused on medical professionals and their involvement as well

Medical professionals who adopt their patients kids should lose their license as it’s not ethical.

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Sadly not unique to Korea. How do you think Angelina Jolie got all her adopted kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Paywall are you gonna fill anyone in op? No ones paying the post for anything these days.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's awful. Imagine if we shipped out kids in foster care to be adopted in another country because it would cost less than keeping them in foster care? And their parents just ... lost touch. Man, just when I'm thinking our US gov't is awful, South Korea says hold my beer.

And Guatemala and China and Russia and Vietnam and …

Any nation that fosters a gigantic pipeline of kids to MC and UMC countries is deeply suspect. And frankly should have been ***at the time***

Ive always believed that desperate American parents just didn’t want to know on a subconscious level. Even as a 12 yr old girl surrounded by these international adoptees in my middle school I knew it didn’t pass the smell test.

Really? An entire nation of moms is sending its babies to Chicago willingly?

Extra scorn for all my highly, highly educated and compensated lawyer-doctor neighbors with young adult kids born in China and Guatemala who didn’t dare ask questions. They absolutely knew better and didn’t want to know.

[Anonymous]

These issues happened in the 70s and 80s. I would hope we’ve come a long way since then. Not sure why it would prevent OP doing “ any international adoption” now it’s 2025.
OP are you actually looking to adopt?
Our 12yo is adopted and thriving. We used a reputable agency in the dmv, we’re not rich, and no profit was made by anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's awful. Imagine if we shipped out kids in foster care to be adopted in another country because it would cost less than keeping them in foster care? And their parents just ... lost touch. Man, just when I'm thinking our US gov't is awful, South Korea says hold my beer.

And Guatemala and China and Russia and Vietnam and …

Any nation that fosters a gigantic pipeline of kids to MC and UMC countries is deeply suspect. And frankly should have been ***at the time***

Ive always believed that desperate American parents just didn’t want to know on a subconscious level. Even as a 12 yr old girl surrounded by these international adoptees in my middle school I knew it didn’t pass the smell test.

Really? An entire nation of moms is sending its babies to Chicago willingly?

Extra scorn for all my highly, highly educated and compensated lawyer-doctor neighbors with young adult kids born in China and Guatemala who didn’t dare ask questions. They absolutely knew better and didn’t want to know.

And this is why, as a Korean adoptee and an adoptive parent of a Korean child, I'm so glad we're not a conspicuous family so we can escape your scorn. You have no idea what my child's history is so please save your judgement for someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a whole thread on this.
It focused on medical professionals and their involvement as well

Medical professionals who adopt their patients kids should lose their license as it’s not ethical.

Agree. But they don't. In fact, their fellow "professionals" applaud and assist them in their baby-grabbing efforts.

Not ethical doesn't mean illegal and it continues to happen.

[Anonymous]

One think that always baffled me about South Korea being such a common place for international adoption is that their birth rate has been below replacement levels since the 1980s and they still have a pretty high rate of international adoption despite having the lowest birth rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's awful. Imagine if we shipped out kids in foster care to be adopted in another country because it would cost less than keeping them in foster care? And their parents just ... lost touch. Man, just when I'm thinking our US gov't is awful, South Korea says hold my beer.

And Guatemala and China and Russia and Vietnam and …

Any nation that fosters a gigantic pipeline of kids to MC and UMC countries is deeply suspect. And frankly should have been ***at the time***

Ive always believed that desperate American parents just didn’t want to know on a subconscious level. Even as a 12 yr old girl surrounded by these international adoptees in my middle school I knew it didn’t pass the smell test.

Really? An entire nation of moms is sending its babies to Chicago willingly?

Extra scorn for all my highly, highly educated and compensated lawyer-doctor neighbors with young adult kids born in China and Guatemala who didn’t dare ask questions. They absolutely knew better and didn’t want to know.

And this is why, as a Korean adoptee and an adoptive parent of a Korean child, I'm so glad we're not a conspicuous family so we can escape your scorn. You have no idea what my child's history is so please save your judgement for someone else.

+1, my child too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a whole thread on this.
It focused on medical professionals and their involvement as well

Medical professionals who adopt their patients kids should lose their license as it’s not ethical.

Agree. But they don't. In fact, their fellow "professionals" applaud and assist them in their baby-grabbing efforts.

Not ethical doesn't mean illegal and it continues to happen.

It should be illegal and you are right, fellow professionals do help, and they should be held accountable too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These issues happened in the 70s and 80s. I would hope we’ve come a long way since then. Not sure why it would prevent OP doing “ any international adoption” now it’s 2025.
OP are you actually looking to adopt?
Our 12yo is adopted and thriving. We used a reputable agency in the dmv, we’re not rich, and no profit was made by anyone.

I think the point is that all those folks adopting in the 70s and 80s also thought their adoptions were legitimate, and that they were doing right by their child and the child's first family. Unless you speak the local language and have engaged directly with the first family, it's really hard to know what's happening behind the scenes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is a whole thread on this.
It focused on medical professionals and their involvement as well

Medical professionals who adopt their patients kids should lose their license as it’s not ethical.

Agree. But they don't. In fact, their fellow "professionals" applaud and assist them in their baby-grabbing efforts.

Not ethical doesn't mean illegal and it continues to happen.

It should be illegal and you are right, fellow professionals do help, and they should be held accountable too.

I think it will take a few high-profile lawsuits and judgements against medical professionals before something will happen legislatively.