In general, ED at LACs does not provide any advantage

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether ED offer an advantage at LACs is a tricky subject because it's hard to disaggregate the ED data when things like recruited athletes, Questbridge, FGLI, academically stronger ED pools, etc. are factored in. But, I think that as a general rule of thumb, the advantage of ED at LACs is a sliding scale from the least advantageous at the very most selective schools and the most advantageous in the 10-30 ranking zone. It's obvious advice, but it bears noting.

No advantage:
WASP

Small advantage:
Bowdoin (when we visited the AO said ED doesn't offer any advantage, but Bowdoin still considers demonstrated interest, so ED must have some small advantage)
Wellesley
Carleton
CMC

Big advantage:
Midd
Wesleyan
Grinnell
Most LACs ranked 10-30

Backpedaling are we?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That's dog crap. Acceptance rate at Davidson jumps from 14% (RD) to 35% (ED). Bates from 13% to 42%. Bucknell from 29% to 50%.

ED can make a huge difference at many selective LACs.

Your stats are dog crap. More than 70% of the ED admitted are athletes.

PP is absolutely right.

Which school?
Williams? Yes.
Davidson? No.

Davidson is a D1 school, they will have move athletes than Williams.

I don't think that logic tracks. According to the Internet, Davidson has 532 varsity athletes while Williams has 750, is more than many major D1 programs. I'm not saying it makes sense. But there it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's dog crap. Acceptance rate at Davidson jumps from 14% (RD) to 35% (ED). Bates from 13% to 42%. Bucknell from 29% to 50%.

ED can make a huge difference at many selective LACs.

Your stats are dog crap. More than 70% of the ED admitted are athletes.

PP is absolutely right.

Which school?
Williams? Yes.
Davidson? No.

Davidson is a D1 school, they will have move athletes than Williams.

I don't think that logic tracks. According to the Internet, Davidson has 532 varsity athletes while Williams has 750, is more than many major D1 programs. I'm not saying it makes sense. But there it is.

Its true. The OP has NO idea what they are talking about. We should probably have this locked so people don't take this awful advice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether ED offer an advantage at LACs is a tricky subject because it's hard to disaggregate the ED data when things like recruited athletes, Questbridge, FGLI, academically stronger ED pools, etc. are factored in. But, I think that as a general rule of thumb, the advantage of ED at LACs is a sliding scale from the least advantageous at the very most selective schools and the most advantageous in the 10-30 ranking zone. It's obvious advice, but it bears noting.

No advantage:
WASP

Small advantage:
Bowdoin (when we visited the AO said ED doesn't offer any advantage, but Bowdoin still considers demonstrated interest, so ED must have some small advantage)
Wellesley
Carleton
CMC

Big advantage:
Midd
Wesleyan
Grinnell
Most LACs ranked 10-30

Backpedaling are we?

That's my post you're responding to and I didn't comment earlier. I take it you're engaged in some kind of virtual spat. Good luck with that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's dog crap. Acceptance rate at Davidson jumps from 14% (RD) to 35% (ED). Bates from 13% to 42%. Bucknell from 29% to 50%.

ED can make a huge difference at many selective LACs.

Your stats are dog crap. More than 70% of the ED admitted are athletes.

PP is absolutely right.

Bucknell has 4000 undergrads, dildo. It's also D1. So is Davidson. Most of their scholarship athletes don't officially commit until the ED deadlines have passed. Don't be dumb.

[Anonymous]

"Dildo" and "dog crap." Glad the intellectuals showed up to elevate the level of discourse.

[Anonymous]

Holy Cross and Colgate seem to reward ED applicants but both schools have robust athletic programs and offer athletic scholarships. Otherwise the RD rates for HC and Gate are in the 16-18 percent range

[Anonymous]

DC applied ED to a WASP school mainly with the hope of being one and done. There was some advantage, however. Naviance indicated 13 students were applying to the same school, and presumably had similarly high stats. The school only admits 1-2 per year. The only one who applied ED, as far as they knew, gave them the chance to stand out a bit and indicate the school was their first choice. Very happy to be admitted, and done in December.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC applied ED to a WASP school mainly with the hope of being one and done. There was some advantage, however. Naviance indicated 13 students were applying to the same school, and presumably had similarly high stats. The school only admits 1-2 per year. The only one who applied ED, as far as they knew, gave them the chance to stand out a bit and indicate the school was their first choice. Very happy to be admitted, and done in December.

Two years ago, DC applied ED to Williams and was rejected outright. DC got into Amherst, Swarthmore, Penn, and Dartmouth in RD though. Of course, many applicants admitted to Williams got rejected from those other schools. My takeaway, corroborated by others' experiences, is that ED is not an advantage at Williams and that, unsurprisingly, admissions at highly selective schools are unpredictable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether ED offer an advantage at LACs is a tricky subject because it's hard to disaggregate the ED data when things like recruited athletes, Questbridge, FGLI, academically stronger ED pools, etc. are factored in. But, I think that as a general rule of thumb, the advantage of ED at LACs is a sliding scale from the least advantageous at the very most selective schools and the most advantageous in the 10-30 ranking zone. It's obvious advice, but it bears noting.

No advantage:
WASP

Small advantage:
Bowdoin (when we visited the AO said ED doesn't offer any advantage, but Bowdoin still considers demonstrated interest, so ED must have some small advantage)
Wellesley
Carleton
CMC

Big advantage:
Midd
Wesleyan
Grinnell
Most LACs ranked 10-30

The AO specifically stated demonstrated interest isn't considered (any more). "Bowdoin College does not consider “demonstrated interest” so you will not be judged on whether or not you made a campus visit, contacted an admissions officer, etc." (College Transitions)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC applied ED to a WASP school mainly with the hope of being one and done. There was some advantage, however. Naviance indicated 13 students were applying to the same school, and presumably had similarly high stats. The school only admits 1-2 per year. The only one who applied ED, as far as they knew, gave them the chance to stand out a bit and indicate the school was their first choice. Very happy to be admitted, and done in December.

Two years ago, DC applied ED to Williams and was rejected outright. DC got into Amherst, Swarthmore, Penn, and Dartmouth in RD though. Of course, many applicants admitted to Williams got rejected from those other schools. My takeaway, corroborated by others' experiences, is that ED is not an advantage at Williams and that, unsurprisingly, admissions at highly selective schools are unpredictable.

Agree that ED doesn't give unhooked applicants an edge at many selective SLACs. 3 years ago, my white DC from an overrepresented state applied ED to Midd, was deferred. DC got into Williams and Midd RD and was rejected from Wesleyan and Bowdoin, along with a WL at Bates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whether ED offer an advantage at LACs is a tricky subject because it's hard to disaggregate the ED data when things like recruited athletes, Questbridge, FGLI, academically stronger ED pools, etc. are factored in. But, I think that as a general rule of thumb, the advantage of ED at LACs is a sliding scale from the least advantageous at the very most selective schools and the most advantageous in the 10-30 ranking zone. It's obvious advice, but it bears noting.

No advantage:
WASP

Small advantage:
Bowdoin (when we visited the AO said ED doesn't offer any advantage, but Bowdoin still considers demonstrated interest, so ED must have some small advantage)
Wellesley
Carleton
CMC

Big advantage:
Midd
Wesleyan
Grinnell
Most LACs ranked 10-30

The AO specifically stated demonstrated interest isn't considered (any more). "Bowdoin College does not consider “demonstrated interest” so you will not be judged on whether or not you made a campus visit, contacted an admissions officer, etc." (College Transitions)

Interesting. It must be a very recent change because Bowdoin's most recent CDS indicates that it gives some consideration to applicant interest: https://www.bowdoin.edu/ir/pdf/bowdoin-cds_2024-2025.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That's dog crap. Acceptance rate at Davidson jumps from 14% (RD) to 35% (ED). Bates from 13% to 42%. Bucknell from 29% to 50%.

ED can make a huge difference at many selective LACs.

Your stats are dog crap. More than 70% of the ED admitted are athletes.

PP is absolutely right.

Which school?
Williams? Yes.
Davidson? No.

Davidson is a D1 school, they will have move athletes than Williams.

NESCACs, which typically offer varsity programs in several sports not offered at Davidson, such as ice hockey, squash, rowing and softball, tend to enroll a greater percentage of student athletes than Davidson.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC applied ED to a WASP school mainly with the hope of being one and done. There was some advantage, however. Naviance indicated 13 students were applying to the same school, and presumably had similarly high stats. The school only admits 1-2 per year. The only one who applied ED, as far as they knew, gave them the chance to stand out a bit and indicate the school was their first choice. Very happy to be admitted, and done in December.

Two years ago, DC applied ED to Williams and was rejected outright. DC got into Amherst, Swarthmore, Penn, and Dartmouth in RD though. Of course, many applicants admitted to Williams got rejected from those other schools. My takeaway, corroborated by others' experiences, is that ED is not an advantage at Williams and that, unsurprisingly, admissions at highly selective schools are unpredictable.

Agree that ED doesn't give unhooked applicants an edge at many selective SLACs. 3 years ago, my white DC from an overrepresented state applied ED to Midd, was deferred. DC got into Williams and Midd RD and was rejected from Wesleyan and Bowdoin, along with a WL at Bates.

There is an element of randomness to it, for sure. But if a number of kids from your HS are applying to the same school, can't hurt to give it a try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whether ED offer an advantage at LACs is a tricky subject because it's hard to disaggregate the ED data when things like recruited athletes, Questbridge, FGLI, academically stronger ED pools, etc. are factored in. But, I think that as a general rule of thumb, the advantage of ED at LACs is a sliding scale from the least advantageous at the very most selective schools and the most advantageous in the 10-30 ranking zone. It's obvious advice, but it bears noting.

No advantage:
WASP

Small advantage:
Bowdoin (when we visited the AO said ED doesn't offer any advantage, but Bowdoin still considers demonstrated interest, so ED must have some small advantage)
Wellesley
Carleton
CMC

Big advantage:
Midd
Wesleyan
Grinnell
Most LACs ranked 10-30

- yes, I'd specifically add Haverford, Macalester, Reed, Bucknell, Skidmore, Hamilton, Oberlin, Colorado College, Davidson etc.

I agree with this.