Taking the Girls out of GAL

[Anonymous]

How is a partnership with MLS hurting the girls? MLS owns the national federation. That means GA has backing from the US Federation and will be given preferential treatment over ECNL. Not involved at all with girls soccer but its incredibly clear that GA is the future if you understand how soccer works in the US at all levels.

[Anonymous]

For HS age girls its still ECNL until otherwise noted. 2012's stay where you are as that class will determine who wins, just give it two years

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For HS age girls its still ECNL until otherwise noted. 2012's stay where you are as that class will determine who wins, just give it two years

But recruiters are going to go to both GA and ECNL events even if for different reasons. So what's the difference?

[Anonymous]

The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

Eat up!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

Your ignorance is showing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

Your ignorance is showing.

Maybe. Or maybe you've gone too far in your wallet to justify entertaining that there are alternative paths to the same goal. Imagine saving that extra 12k a year in travel you spent on nationals and the other showcases for at least 4yrs (6 for some of you) and putting that 48k toward your DD's partially funded scholarship. You all continue to prove how much of a social status this is for adults vs producing a quality future for your kids actually playing the game.

[Anonymous]

You're not real, cause if you were you would not be keyboarding here. Way too sensical for this crowd

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

Your ignorance is showing.

Maybe. Or maybe you've gone too far in your wallet to justify entertaining that there are alternative paths to the same goal. Imagine saving that extra 12k a year in travel you spent on nationals and the other showcases for at least 4yrs (6 for some of you) and putting that 48k toward your DD's partially funded scholarship. You all continue to prove how much of a social status this is for adults vs producing a quality future for your kids actually playing the game.

For those of us without friends, we don't really care about social status

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How is a partnership with MLS hurting the girls? MLS owns the national federation. That means GA has backing from the US Federation and will be given preferential treatment over ECNL. Not involved at all with girls soccer but its incredibly clear that GA is the future if you understand how soccer works in the US at all levels.

There is zero benefit from an alliance with MLS for the girls. None. Who cares who owns the federation? GA has no backing from it; no dollars; no support. There is no way the federation can give any special treatment over ECNL because there is none to give.

I agree college coaches go where the talent is. The talent is 75% in ECNL. If they moved to GA -- sure. But there is zero reason to think they will. GA's recruiting for the 2006s was not bad. For the 2007s it was awful and worse for the 2008s. ECNL gets their girls recruited from 1-18 on the team. What has become apparent is that GA can get 1-5 recruited but that is all. GA's marketing has also been inferior. College coaches would rather go to the ECNL events. But I suppose that could be fixed.

In short, the GA agreement with MLS was a Hail Mary before they are relegated to a true second tier league. We will see shortly if it worked. I doubt it will.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

I would like to hear back from you after your daughter completes her recruiting process. You clearly have no clue how any of this works. Good effort though.

Guess it's a good thing I've been around the process before ECNL had the footprint in this area and during the current cycle. Being uninformed and overly reliant on the club/league is what has made most of you parents lazy in the process when you could've avoided that stress. You're fed that false sense of security of the league and negate doing the basic legwork that you need to do. Next thing you know you're at the same 75-250 ranked school that an RL kid made it to from expressing early interest and showing up to camps...

Your ignorance is showing.

Maybe. Or maybe you've gone too far in your wallet to justify entertaining that there are alternative paths to the same goal. Imagine saving that extra 12k a year in travel you spent on nationals and the other showcases for at least 4yrs (6 for some of you) and putting that 48k toward your DD's partially funded scholarship. You all continue to prove how much of a social status this is for adults vs producing a quality future for your kids actually playing the game.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but my kid is playing in college and it was all worth it as she loves it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The difference is ECNL has about 3.5 times the commits to power 4 colleges compared to GA. So the exposure is way better for ECNL TODAY. The million dollar question is if we all believe GA is on the right track, how long will the transition take for the college coaches to see that the better talent is now in GA and not ECNL? My guess is 3-5 years. Which is why I agree with the pp above who said “for hs age girls you stay in ECNL.”

College coaches show up where the talent is regardless. This idea that they're just coming out to games to generally find unknown talent is ridiculous. We all have Veos and they could spot that out from the comfort of their own homes. They come to these ECNL events in force because of the money. Because ECNL put their marketing dollars to work and created league specific events. I love how everyone loves to just gloss over that fact. WAGS, NCFC, Jeff Cup, Disney showcase and many more were where coaches showed up to watch players. There was no such thing as ECNL North Carolina, SC, St. Louis, etc.. "national events" (that you're required to participate in as a member) until 2022 or 23. In that short of a span you all have been brainwashed into believing that since those four letters are on it that it just has to be the best while completely ignoring that they simply match you up with a team from another conference with a similar strength as yours to keep the games close and give the illusion of it being competitive. If your kid is on the bottom half (talent wise) of a team that's not even top 4 in your conference, what are you barking about anyway? And if your team is top 4 of the conference but bottom half of their age group in the ECNL, you're in the same boat. Go look at the combined records of the bottom 6 teams in the mid Atlantic for any given age group. Until you get to the oldest age groups, the bottom half is awful.

Stop it with the records. They do not matter. College coaches are looking at players and they care not if they are 1 or 10 in a division. What ECNL has done is made it very easy for college coaches. They love it. GA has not done as well. The talent is just not in GA. The top teams get scouted. The best players get scouted but it is not a great product and there are less kids they want to see while at ECNL events, all the kids they want to see are there. Can tht be fixed by GA? Maybe.