Trump and Electric Vehicles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On a lighter note, won't it be interesting to see rural Republicans driving around in their new Teslas in support of Musk/Trump? They might even keep the EV market afloat

Expect the next CyberTruck/rolling dumpster to have a "roll coal" option.

[Anonymous]

trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The $7500 federal rebate has already been renewed/extended at least once. The Model Y, at least at one point, was the best selling car in the world.

I don’t think that anyone can seriously continue to make the claim that EV buyers still need $7500 federal tax rebates as subsidies. I, personally, think electric vehicles are great. They should not need any more rebates. And I expect that this new Congress and President Trump will end them in the next budget.

Removing the EV tax credit will shut these plants down. Tell me which republicans congressman and senators will vote to shut down these new plant jobs created in the past 2 years? How much lobbying clout do you think these companies which have invested multiplied billion dollars in the state have? Do you think they can call and the governor, senators and congressmen will pick up the phone? lol

EV assembly plants
Stanton, TN Ford: Motor Co.'s assembly plant -6,000 plant jobs, western Tennessee
West Pont, GA: Kia Motors' assembly plant -14,000 plant and supplier jobs
Stanton Spring, GA: Rivian's assembly plant - 7,500 plant jobs
Blythwood, SC: Scout Motors' assembly plan- 4,000 plant jobs
Moncure, NC: VinFast's assembly plant -7,500 plant jobs

Battery plants
Woodruff, SC: BMW's battery assembly facility near its Spartanburg plant -11,000 employees
Florence, SC: AESC's battery cell plant that will produce lithium-ion battery cells for BMW's Spartanburg plant -2,700 employees
Jeffersonville, OH: Honda and LG Energy Solution's EV battery plant -2,200 employees

Gigafactories
Gigafactory Nevada: Tesla's gigafactory near Lake Tahoe that produces EV components and energy storage systems -12,000 employees


These are not the only plants. Most are in red states. How many congressmen and senators can you afford lose on a vote? Just including the above I count 10 senators and 16-23 representatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

Ha but 3 weeks after he comes back from china he finds a ridiculous excuse to get mad at them and then slaps a 100% tariff on Chinese evs and you’ll still be paying $40k for your xiaomi

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

Ha but 3 weeks after he comes back from china he finds a ridiculous excuse to get mad at them and then slaps a 100% tariff on Chinese evs and you’ll still be paying $40k for your xiaomi

Oh no! That will still be $10k cheaper vs the average new car in America. It will put Tesla and all the other US manufacturers out of business. I am sure you will agree it is a small price to pay to break the unions and cash in the short on Tesla.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The $7500 federal rebate has already been renewed/extended at least once. The Model Y, at least at one point, was the best selling car in the world.

I don’t think that anyone can seriously continue to make the claim that EV buyers still need $7500 federal tax rebates as subsidies. I, personally, think electric vehicles are great. They should not need any more rebates. And I expect that this new Congress and President Trump will end them in the next budget.

Removing the EV tax credit will shut these plants down. Tell me which republicans congressman and senators will vote to shut down these new plant jobs created in the past 2 years? How much lobbying clout do you think these companies which have invested multiplied billion dollars in the state have? Do you think they can call and the governor, senators and congressmen will pick up the phone? lol

EV assembly plants
Stanton, TN Ford: Motor Co.'s assembly plant -6,000 plant jobs, western Tennessee
West Pont, GA: Kia Motors' assembly plant -14,000 plant and supplier jobs
Stanton Spring, GA: Rivian's assembly plant - 7,500 plant jobs
Blythwood, SC: Scout Motors' assembly plan- 4,000 plant jobs
Moncure, NC: VinFast's assembly plant -7,500 plant jobs

Battery plants
Woodruff, SC: BMW's battery assembly facility near its Spartanburg plant -11,000 employees
Florence, SC: AESC's battery cell plant that will produce lithium-ion battery cells for BMW's Spartanburg plant -2,700 employees
Jeffersonville, OH: Honda and LG Energy Solution's EV battery plant -2,200 employees

Gigafactories
Gigafactory Nevada: Tesla's gigafactory near Lake Tahoe that produces EV components and energy storage systems -12,000 employees


These are not the only plants. Most are in red states. How many congressmen and senators can you afford lose on a vote? Just including the above I count 10 senators and 16-23 representatives.

Ok then why did trump still issue this eo? I think coz he doesn’t give a dam about any of this

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:Ok then why did trump still issue this eo? I think coz he doesn’t give a dam about any of this

The EO won't have any impact, at least so far. I think the EO is a PR exercise to please his supporters but doesn't really do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The $7500 federal rebate has already been renewed/extended at least once. The Model Y, at least at one point, was the best selling car in the world.

I don’t think that anyone can seriously continue to make the claim that EV buyers still need $7500 federal tax rebates as subsidies. I, personally, think electric vehicles are great. They should not need any more rebates. And I expect that this new Congress and President Trump will end them in the next budget.

Removing the EV tax credit will shut these plants down. Tell me which republicans congressman and senators will vote to shut down these new plant jobs created in the past 2 years? How much lobbying clout do you think these companies which have invested multiplied billion dollars in the state have? Do you think they can call and the governor, senators and congressmen will pick up the phone? lol

EV assembly plants
Stanton, TN Ford: Motor Co.'s assembly plant -6,000 plant jobs, western Tennessee
West Pont, GA: Kia Motors' assembly plant -14,000 plant and supplier jobs
Stanton Spring, GA: Rivian's assembly plant - 7,500 plant jobs
Blythwood, SC: Scout Motors' assembly plan- 4,000 plant jobs
Moncure, NC: VinFast's assembly plant -7,500 plant jobs

Battery plants
Woodruff, SC: BMW's battery assembly facility near its Spartanburg plant -11,000 employees
Florence, SC: AESC's battery cell plant that will produce lithium-ion battery cells for BMW's Spartanburg plant -2,700 employees
Jeffersonville, OH: Honda and LG Energy Solution's EV battery plant -2,200 employees

Gigafactories
Gigafactory Nevada: Tesla's gigafactory near Lake Tahoe that produces EV components and energy storage systems -12,000 employees


These are not the only plants. Most are in red states. How many congressmen and senators can you afford lose on a vote? Just including the above I count 10 senators and 16-23 representatives.

Don’t forget the huge hyundai ev factory opening in georgia ahead of schedule because of demand

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

Ha but 3 weeks after he comes back from china he finds a ridiculous excuse to get mad at them and then slaps a 100% tariff on Chinese evs and you’ll still be paying $40k for your xiaomi

Oh no! That will still be $10k cheaper vs the average new car in America. It will put Tesla and all the other US manufacturers out of business. I am sure you will agree it is a small price to pay to break the unions and cash in the short on Tesla.

Are you looking forward to seeing who the unemployed heartland workers will vote for next? Maybe it will be the buffalo hatted guy from Jan 6. I sure hope he was born here!

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok then why did trump still issue this eo? I think coz he doesn’t give a dam about any of this

The EO won't have any impact, at least so far. I think the EO is a PR exercise to please his supporters but doesn't really do anything.

Agree. Trump wants to be able to claim he killed the "EV mandate" but there never was one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

Ha but 3 weeks after he comes back from china he finds a ridiculous excuse to get mad at them and then slaps a 100% tariff on Chinese evs and you’ll still be paying $40k for your xiaomi

Oh no! That will still be $10k cheaper vs the average new car in America. It will put Tesla and all the other US manufacturers out of business. I am sure you will agree it is a small price to pay to break the unions and cash in the short on Tesla.

Are you looking forward to seeing who the unemployed heartland workers will vote for next? Maybe it will be the buffalo hatted guy from Jan 6. I sure hope he was born here!

lol heartland workers voted for Trump after he went to a scab company and Biden was on a pick line. Rusted belt workers will still praise Trump from the unemployment line. Remember EVs also take 1/2 the man hours to make. So even if the US car makers catch up 1/2 their work force will be gone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:trump will visit china next month and broker a deal for musk to acquire 51% of tiktok, and the next day he visit BYD factory and announce opening chinese evs into the us, but not before musk post on x that he's sold tesla auto-making and charging businesses to a new detroit-china joint venture.

and everybody happy.

I would be happy with that. Imagine cutting the cost of a new car($49k) by 60%($20k) over night.

Ha but 3 weeks after he comes back from china he finds a ridiculous excuse to get mad at them and then slaps a 100% tariff on Chinese evs and you’ll still be paying $40k for your xiaomi

Oh no! That will still be $10k cheaper vs the average new car in America. It will put Tesla and all the other US manufacturers out of business. I am sure you will agree it is a small price to pay to break the unions and cash in the short on Tesla.

Are you looking forward to seeing who the unemployed heartland workers will vote for next? Maybe it will be the buffalo hatted guy from Jan 6. I sure hope he was born here!

lol heartland workers voted for Trump after he went to a scab company and Biden was on a pick line. Rusted belt workers will still praise Trump from the unemployment line. Remember EVs also take 1/2 the man hours to make. So even if the US car makers catch up 1/2 their work force will be gone.

EVs only take fewer man hours to make if you completely ignore the need to build batteries. Once you add in the battery packs they take more man hours to build. Another example of FUD.