Schedule F and career SES EOs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow that career SES EO is going to shake things up

As one, much needed

Really? Our SES work long hours, are very capable and innovative, and are crazy underpaid compared to corp sector.

What agency has SES that are lacking?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for a random SES to be gone?

If you’re bad at your job you should be gone in under a month.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for a random SES to be gone?

If you’re bad at your job you should be gone in under a month.

That’s not what this EO does

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for a random SES to be gone?

If you’re bad at your job you should be gone in under a month.

So you have no idea. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow that career SES EO is going to shake things up

As one, much needed

Really? Our SES work long hours, are very capable and innovative, and are crazy underpaid compared to corp sector.

What agency has SES that are lacking?

This is ours too. The salary bump is trivial compared to the added responsibility and hours. Though there are likely some performance plan diversity goals that this administration would want changed.

[Anonymous]

I actually thought SES were already at will.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for a random SES to be gone?

If you’re bad at your job you should be gone in under a month.

So you have no idea. Thanks

f) Any agency head who becomes aware of an SES official whose performance or continued occupancy of the position is inconsistent with either the principles reaffirmed in this Order or their duties to the Nation under section 3131 of title 5, United States Code, shall immediately take all appropriate actions, up to and including removal of that official, with the support of OPM and OMB. Restoring an accountable government workforce is a top priority of my Administration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the timeline for a random SES to be gone?

If you’re bad at your job you should be gone in under a month.

So you have no idea. Thanks

f) Any agency head who becomes aware of an SES official whose performance or continued occupancy of the position is inconsistent with either the principles reaffirmed in this Order or their duties to the Nation under section 3131 of title 5, United States Code, shall immediately take all appropriate actions, up to and including removal of that official, with the support of OPM and OMB. Restoring an accountable government workforce is a top priority of my Administration.

What do you think those “principles” are?

[Anonymous]

What about Schedule F though. Does it make them entirely at will?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about Schedule F though. Does it make them entirely at will?

Yes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes; it’s back.

Schedule F: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-accountability-to-policy-influencing-positions-within-the-federal-workforce/

New EO on career SES:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-accountability-for-career-senior-executives/

F does not seem problematic, what am I missing?
Employees in or applicants for Schedule Policy/Career positions are not required to personally or politically support the current President or the policies of the current administration. They are required to faithfully implement administration policies to the best of their ability, consistent with their constitutional oath and the vesting of executive authority solely in the President. Failure to do so is grounds for dismissal.”

[Anonymous]

The SES EO sounds like a big nothing burger on top of what is already the case.

[Anonymous]

I’m SES. I read the EO and I don’t see the big deal. I mean sure, we are getting some unwanted attention. There are a couple aspects that are eyebrow raising, but noting that I feel alarmed about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes; it’s back.

Schedule F: https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-accountability-to-policy-influencing-positions-within-the-federal-workforce/

New EO on career SES:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/restoring-accountability-for-career-senior-executives/

F does not seem problematic, what am I missing?
Employees in or applicants for Schedule Policy/Career positions are not required to personally or politically support the current President or the policies of the current administration. They are required to faithfully implement administration policies to the best of their ability, consistent with their constitutional oath and the vesting of executive authority solely in the President. Failure to do so is grounds for dismissal.”

It removes the appeal rights that would allow a person to challenge their firing on the basis of it being politically motivated. The line you quoted offers zero protection from that.

[Anonymous]

I would bet they’re going to start moving SES staff around. They did this to one of our office directors last time, he worked in a different location and they moved him to DC, expecting him to retire instead of relocating.
Taking people off of areas they know and assigning them elsewhere is another way to disrupt progress and destroy institutional knowledge.