Change at Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Dean of Admission at Georgetown is still Charles Deacon. He has been there for many decades and is in his 80s. I don't think anything changes until he retires, which has not happened yet.

New president likely means it's imminent though. Even though I personally think Georgetown does an excellent job of weeding out unserious applicants.

There is no such word as "unserious" it would be non-serious, that's as close as you can get.

“You cannot be serious!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

Georgetown does favor legacies, more so than other elite schools. All about fundraising, baby.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

Georgetown does favor legacies, more so than other elite schools. All about fundraising, baby.

It has a comparatively small endowment and a lot of catching up to do on that front. Keep in mind that top schools that have built up large endowments for decades did so on the back of legacy admissions: they gave preferences to legacies for decades far more than Georgetown gives to legacies now. To the extent that they can only now give a “slight” legacy preferences, it is because their endowment is already built up. Just saying the finger pointing should equally go at these high endowment schools who built their literal foundation on it…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

Georgetown does favor legacies, more so than other elite schools. All about fundraising, baby.

Yeah they have a low endowment —but 1/2 those alumni don’t contribute at all and their legacy includes grad and law schools - nobody else does that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

Georgetown does favor legacies, more so than other elite schools. All about fundraising, baby.

Yeah they have a low endowment —but 1/2 those alumni don’t contribute at all and their legacy includes grad and law schools - nobody else does that.

Duke also has expansive consideration of legacy. Many others don't really say because they want their grad school alums to give.

I'm curious about Georgetown giving a tip to (academically qualified) wealthy kids per an older news article, the potential donor types, if anyone knows.

[Anonymous]

it's interesting that this came from a high school counselor. if this is a connected school (ie a jesuit hs in a big metro), I'd be even more interested.

if I were a new president, encouraging the move from submitting all test scores to submitting one, would be a little step and also, kind of a power play.

if they're not going to push Deacon out, he could be there another 10 years. People thought he'd leave 10 years ago. a new president pressing to make this move might be signaling, I'm the head of this school.

moving to common app would be a major shift. this really isn't. Georgetown's app process is different in all kinds of ways. They still love full pay, they love legacy, they really love feeders, the don't do the common app and they make you send in that 1370 you got in 10th grade. cleaning this one thing up is a good small step.

like I said, interesting to me

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

My kids were those legacies. They would not have gotten in without it. One is now a junior with a 3.9 GPA in double government and philosophy majors and other meaningful contributions to the school, even with severe ADHD that prevented them from having the stats to get in. The other is not doing quite as well in a biology major, but has managed to persevere and get their GPA up over a 3.0 after some struggles with really hard classes, also with severe ADHD. They have tons of friends, close connections to professors and the Jesuits. Both just making so much out of the school that they feel connected to and give back to. So, what's your problem? Was it fair that severe ADHD kept them from thriving at rigid high school curriculum? Why is it any less fair that they have to deal with that while other, neurotypical kids have to deal with not having legacy? The world takes all kinds and I, for one, am thankful that Georgetown is a place that values relationships and connections and gives kids like mine a chance. Go ahead and flame away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

These comments always get me. Why do people think they know other kids' "stats" so well?

[Anonymous]

I wonder if the legacy emphasis helps them a lot with maintaining Catholic enrollment. If so, that would make sense.

Getting flooded with apps wastes resources that could be better spent elsewhere.

My DH has a Georgetown master's. Our college freshman did not apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

These comments always get me. Why do people think they know other kids' "stats" so well?

There are these things called Naviance and SCOIR. It provides test scores and gpa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

We saw much lower stat legacy continually getting in from our school—much lower scores/gpa, etc. I’m all for legacy if they have stats consistent with the unhooked candidates, but come on.

These comments always get me. Why do people think they know other kids' "stats" so well?

There are these things called Naviance and SCOIR. It provides test scores and gpa.

It does not identify kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Dean of Admission at Georgetown is still Charles Deacon. He has been there for many decades and is in his 80s. I don't think anything changes until he retires, which has not happened yet.

New president likely means it's imminent though. Even though I personally think Georgetown does an excellent job of weeding out unserious applicants.

There is no such word as "unserious" it would be non-serious, that's as close as you can get.

Talk to your kids. "Unserious" is a very popular Gen Z or Millenial age adjective. I'm going to guess you are a Gen Xer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

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as it is, the admission rate is around like 12% and SFS is more like 8%. If they went to the common app, these would both drop significantly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No need for Georgetown to change. Why should they? The only reason would be to get more applicants so they can lower their acceptance rate and increase their ranking. But guess what? Thankfully, they're not focused on that. They take applications from only those who truly want to attend, so they yes, they get fewer applicants. But the students who attend, do so happily. Jesuit spirit alive and well at Georgetown.

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as it is, the admission rate is around like 12% and SFS is more like 8%. If they went to the common app, these would both drop significantly

No, higher: 15%. But it is a self-selected group by and large.