New fed position and timing questions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell your supervisor only when you get the final offer. It's not looking very promising you will beat the clock.

Me again, in the last hiring freeze anyone who did not have the final offer had their offers rescinded.

not true for everyone. I received a tentative offer, then the hiring freeze came, then i eventually received a final offer 3 months or so late.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Start date must coincide with the beginning of a new pay period. So it’s either effective January 5 or January 19.

You might just get it. I’ve moved agencies a couple times. They usually give losing agencies 2 pay periods notice as a nicety, but they can absolutely push it through with one pay period. So accepting agency would notify losing agency on Friday Jan 3 that you would be starting new position effective Jan 19. That’s the shortest time frame available.

+1, but you are off by a week. We just had two people come into our office with an EOD of 12/29. There is only 1/12 available between now and the inauguration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good rule of thumb is to never tell your old job about a job offer until it is a done deal. You never know until you’re in the door.

NP, but this isn’t always possible. Sometimes the new employer insists on talking to the current one before they’ll make an offer. Spouse just went through this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good rule of thumb is to never tell your old job about a job offer until it is a done deal. You never know until you’re in the door.

NP, but this isn’t always possible. Sometimes the new employer insists on talking to the current one before they’ll make an offer. Spouse just went through this.

And this is typical in fed gvt - often, new agency will not give FO until they get an EOD, and to get the EOD, they contact old agency to nail down departure date/availability of employee. I had to give notice with only a TO if I wanted to inform my supervisor before HR informed them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good rule of thumb is to never tell your old job about a job offer until it is a done deal. You never know until you’re in the door.

NP, but this isn’t always possible. Sometimes the new employer insists on talking to the current one before they’ll make an offer. Spouse just went through this.

And this is typical in fed gvt - often, new agency will not give FO until they get an EOD, and to get the EOD, they contact old agency to nail down departure date/availability of employee. I had to give notice with only a TO if I wanted to inform my supervisor before HR informed them.

Same, and even then my boss was annoyed that I didn’t give more notice. Transferring is complicated—honestly wouldn’t do it again.

[Anonymous]

I’m in the same boat, and with closures I doubt a FO before the 20th will happen! Fingers crossed!

[Anonymous]

Its possible there's no formal hiring freeze, they just won't post any more jobs or get approval to fill slots. In that case, I think you get through.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good rule of thumb is to never tell your old job about a job offer until it is a done deal. You never know until you’re in the door.

NP, but this isn’t always possible. Sometimes the new employer insists on talking to the current one before they’ll make an offer. Spouse just went through this.

And this is typical in fed gvt - often, new agency will not give FO until they get an EOD, and to get the EOD, they contact old agency to nail down departure date/availability of employee. I had to give notice with only a TO if I wanted to inform my supervisor before HR informed them.

Yes, this is exactly what happened to my spouse. And current agency wasn’t happy spouse was leaving, so it made things awkward.

[Anonymous]

OP here, experiencing a very unhappy supervisor right now. He’s ignoring emails from my new office’s HR. If he continues being obstinate, how long can he hold up the process?

If this falls apart now due to a hiring freeze, I will probably have to find a new job no matter what. I had a good relationship with my supervisor previously - but I don’t think he’s going to get over this.

[Anonymous]

I am a fed supervisor and my understanding is that your agency’s HR needs to respond to the request (not your supervisor unless that is one and the same). So even if your supervisor is pissed they should not be controlling the process (unless it is a reference they seek before making a decision). I also believe that legally if it is a a promotion (pay wise) HR has to push it through within 2 weeks unless the employee or requesting agency wants more time. I am not sure but that is how I believe it works at my agency based on past experience (as a supervisor). Hope it works out. Do not give your supervisor more control than they have and make sure your HR knows what is needed. There shouldn’t be a supervisory approval or button that needs to be pressed. The supervisor is just informed (by you or HR) where you are going and when.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a fed supervisor and my understanding is that your agency’s HR needs to respond to the request (not your supervisor unless that is one and the same). So even if your supervisor is pissed they should not be controlling the process (unless it is a reference they seek before making a decision). I also believe that legally if it is a a promotion (pay wise) HR has to push it through within 2 weeks unless the employee or requesting agency wants more time. I am not sure but that is how I believe it works at my agency based on past experience (as a supervisor). Hope it works out. Do not give your supervisor more control than they have and make sure your HR knows what is needed. There shouldn’t be a supervisory approval or button that needs to be pressed. The supervisor is just informed (by you or HR) where you are going and when.

Thanks for this. It is awkward though that the new job wants to talk to current or old supervisor. Without an offer in hand it seems risky but you cannot get the offer with them making contact for the reference check. Anyhow, good to know about the timing of the transfer and that it is in HR's power to facilitate and not the supervisor.

[Anonymous]

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