2024-25 CES

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is now a lottery system based on primarily map scores and grades. COGAT testing will not be an indicator for the 25-26 school year.

Did MCPS explain why they won't use it other than it would not result in the desired demographics? Seems like a really critical data point. the CESes are basically the only point at which you can capture highly intelligent kids who may not be challenged and as a result not motivated due to being in the wrong setting. By the time they are in MS and HS it's kind of too late and many of those kids who were unmotivated may have checked out.

It does seem like a flawed system since the kids who need this the most aren't typically selected. I'm not sure gatekeeping with CogAT is the real answer, either. Maybe make these offerings available to all students without dumbing them down. If kids are up for the rigor they do well if not they drop out. Easy....

Not that simple. They did dumb things down. I remember reading in some report or some update that TPMS had to get teachers to do some remedial work with some of the students once they started fiddling with the criteria.

I agree—they have dumbed down the ES and MS magnet/enrichment offerings. Especially at schools that allow B and C students (those with MAP at 85–89 percentile).

If the US is to compete with not-so-friendly countries, throttling the brightest students does not make sense. And who really is being throttled are the lower and middle class (ie, the students who attend public schools).

[Anonymous]

Those who want to know why the info has not been posted should email Jeannie Franklin, the head of DCCAPS, which runs the lottery. [e-mail]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How does the application of locally-normed scores work when your child attends a different school? For example, if your child is in an immersion ES program that is not your home school, is the determination for the lottery pool based on the school the child attends or the home school?

It’s done based on the school your child attends.

This came up in another thread and for middle school everyone said it's based on the home school. It's not clear one way or the other. How do you know it's based on the school the child attends?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How does the application of locally-normed scores work when your child attends a different school? For example, if your child is in an immersion ES program that is not your home school, is the determination for the lottery pool based on the school the child attends or the home school?

It’s done based on the school your child attends.

This came up in another thread and for middle school everyone said it's based on the home school. It's not clear one way or the other. How do you know it's based on the school the child attends?

Because I asked the office last year. Maybe it is different this year. Call Ms Franklin and ask for answers.

[Anonymous]

The idea is if the home school has a large enough cohort of similar kids, they don't need to be removed to the CES school.

And, I agree with others that this has hurt the program (I had one in GT and one who had a large enough cohort at their home school that they were not given this opportunity).

[Anonymous]

Information is up on the website

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Information is up on the website

It is… but it isn’t. All the links are to Google docs that deny access…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Information is up on the website

It is… but it isn’t. All the links are to Google docs that deny access…

Won’t even let you view with your kid’s MCPS account

[Anonymous]

Click on the Spanish version of the FAQ and on the top right there is a link to the English version. Also, click on the Spanish letter to parents, that works.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Information is up on the website

It is… but it isn’t. All the links are to Google docs that deny access…

Won’t even let you view with your kid’s MCPS account

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Click on the Spanish version of the FAQ and on the top right there is a link to the English version. Also, click on the Spanish letter to parents, that works.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Information is up on the website

It is… but it isn’t. All the links are to Google docs that deny access…

Won’t even let you view with your kid’s MCPS account

thx! I think this link will work: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hE-bmYmHXKbhTZOc5oWkX07P-6iS3lksY3AqhMyWzoQ/preview?tab=t.0

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is now a lottery system based on primarily map scores and grades. COGAT testing will not be an indicator for the 25-26 school year.

Did MCPS explain why they won't use it other than it would not result in the desired demographics? Seems like a really critical data point. the CESes are basically the only point at which you can capture highly intelligent kids who may not be challenged and as a result not motivated due to being in the wrong setting. By the time they are in MS and HS it's kind of too late and many of those kids who were unmotivated may have checked out.

It does seem like a flawed system since the kids who need this the most aren't typically selected. I'm not sure gatekeeping with CogAT is the real answer, either. Maybe make these offerings available to all students without dumbing them down. If kids are up for the rigor they do well if not they drop out. Easy....

CoGAT is the perfect way. You can’t offer these things to all students without watering it down.

[Anonymous]

If you want to use CoGAT, please find some experts that can substantiate the claim that "Gifted and talented experts recommend the use of [CoGAT] scores as an equitable approach to ensure equity and access in identification of students for programs."

(1) not just expert but "Gifted and talented experts"
(2) MCPS is using local norm MAP score because "Gifted and talented experts recommend the use of local norms of assessment scores as an equitable approach to ensure equity and access in identification of students for programs.

Quoted directly from the google doc in DP response.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is now a lottery system based on primarily map scores and grades. COGAT testing will not be an indicator for the 25-26 school year.

Did MCPS explain why they won't use it other than it would not result in the desired demographics? Seems like a really critical data point. the CESes are basically the only point at which you can capture highly intelligent kids who may not be challenged and as a result not motivated due to being in the wrong setting. By the time they are in MS and HS it's kind of too late and many of those kids who were unmotivated may have checked out.

It does seem like a flawed system since the kids who need this the most aren't typically selected. I'm not sure gatekeeping with CogAT is the real answer, either. Maybe make these offerings available to all students without dumbing them down. If kids are up for the rigor they do well if not they drop out. Easy....

CoGAT is the perfect way. You can’t offer these things to all students without watering it down.

[Anonymous]

Is this the same as in past years? It looks like it is saying you can't get the school's permission to take ELC if you're not included in the central review lottery program-- was that always the case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this the same as in past years? It looks like it is saying you can't get the school's permission to take ELC if you're not included in the central review lottery program-- was that always the case?

It appears to signal that they are going to get rid of ELC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this the same as in past years? It looks like it is saying you can't get the school's permission to take ELC if you're not included in the central review lottery program-- was that always the case?

It appears to signal that they are going to get rid of ELC.

That's doesn't make sense. They stated ELC to take the pressure of off CES