Coach issues - wwyd?

[Anonymous]

He can’t skip practice and stay on the team. I’m not sure what he expected would happen if he skipped practices regularly without a good reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is common with a lot of high schools sports IME. A lot of the coaches- well intentioned as they are- really aren’t very knowledgeable.

Your DS should not have said anything. As for preseason workouts- it really depends on team rules/expectations. At our school, preseason workout attendance is expected unless it conflicts with another seasonal school sport.

Your DS should attend preseason workouts, continue to attend private workouts outside of team workouts, and not being any of this up again.

Well, he was basically confronted and wasn’t going to lie. But he can’t really work with this coach and also do pre season. I mean, I guess he could do a session here and there, but he’s been going 5 days a week for hours at a time. This is his thing. I wish the coach wouldn’t take it so personally.

How do college track teams recruit? I have no idea. Do they use high school data or is there another way to showcase skills? (For example in softball, baseball, volleyball etc club team is usually more important for recruiting than school teams). Does something similar exist for track? If so, I’d do private training and ignore the HS coach. On the other hand, if he needs high school stats then he needs to play by the coach’s rules. And typically that will include attending practices and workouts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ dc wants to compete for the team when the official season starts but continue training with this other club coach. HS coach said ‘quit now or you’ll never run again’.

Complain to the AD. If there is a race difference, complain to the county. Try to proactively ruin the coach. It's 2024 and this is a track coach. Schools will suspend them pending and investigation and every school fears the retaliation complaint

h.

This is insane. You cannot possibly be serious.

The coach has every right to require attendance at practice, and every right to make preseason attendance a factor. This is how it is for most sports. The AD is going to back up the coach on that one.

I don’t believe the coach has a right to dictate what workouts her DS does on his own time, but I could be wrong. That would be an issue to take to the AD.

AD? The athletic director?

Ds is not comfortable with parent involvement as it is, and he’d never be on board with going to above the coach, but I have thought I’d consider trying to have dc gave a follow up with the coach with parents there.

The coach was way way way out of line in the way he spoke to dc. I can’t believe that this sort of behavior flies in this day and age tbh

But we aren’t going to try to retaliate

[Anonymous]

^HAve

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is common with a lot of high schools sports IME. A lot of the coaches- well intentioned as they are- really aren’t very knowledgeable.

Your DS should not have said anything. As for preseason workouts- it really depends on team rules/expectations. At our school, preseason workout attendance is expected unless it conflicts with another seasonal school sport.

Your DS should attend preseason workouts, continue to attend private workouts outside of team workouts, and not being any of this up again.

Well, he was basically confronted and wasn’t going to lie. But he can’t really work with this coach and also do pre season. I mean, I guess he could do a session here and there, but he’s been going 5 days a week for hours at a time. This is his thing. I wish the coach wouldn’t take it so personally.

How do college track teams recruit? I have no idea. Do they use high school data or is there another way to showcase skills? (For example in softball, baseball, volleyball etc club team is usually more important for recruiting than school teams). Does something similar exist for track? If so, I’d do private training and ignore the HS coach. On the other hand, if he needs high school stats then he needs to play by the coach’s rules. And typically that will include attending practices and workouts.

I’m honestly not sure tbh. Times are times in track, but unlike some other sports, there doesn’t seem to be as robust a club program for sprinters, at least as far as I’ve seen. Most compete for high schools. I think there is some opportunity to run races with this club, but I don’t really know how it works.

I do note every coach we’ve spoken to from college wants dcs HS coaches info. So that’s not great obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He can’t skip practice and stay on the team. I’m not sure what he expected would happen if he skipped practices regularly without a good reason.

You’re purposely nasty which is an odd way to be. Do you know track? This is pre season. Lots of kids are doing other things right now, other sports, etc. It’s a loose time to begin with

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ dc wants to compete for the team when the official season starts but continue training with this other club coach. HS coach said ‘quit now or you’ll never run again’.

Complain to the AD. If there is a race difference, complain to the county. Try to proactively ruin the coach. It's 2024 and this is a track coach. Schools will suspend them pending and investigation and every school fears the retaliation complaint

It’s not a race thing. Just an ego man thing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ dc wants to compete for the team when the official season starts but continue training with this other club coach. HS coach said ‘quit now or you’ll never run again’.

Complain to the AD. If there is a race difference, complain to the county. Try to proactively ruin the coach. It's 2024 and this is a track coach. Schools will suspend them pending and investigation and every school fears the retaliation complaint

h.

This is insane. You cannot possibly be serious.

The coach has every right to require attendance at practice, and every right to make preseason attendance a factor. This is how it is for most sports. The AD is going to back up the coach on that one.

I don’t believe the coach has a right to dictate what workouts her DS does on his own time, but I could be wrong. That would be an issue to take to the AD.

AD? The athletic director?

Ds is not comfortable with parent involvement as it is, and he’d never be on board with going to above the coach, but I have thought I’d consider trying to have dc gave a follow up with the coach with parents there.

The coach was way way way out of line in the way he spoke to dc. I can’t believe that this sort of behavior flies in this day and age tbh

But we aren’t going to try to retaliate

Yes, the athletic director.

My point is if DS is attending workouts & practices and coach tries to punish him for work done outside of practice- you’d have a legit case for going to the AD (and if this actually happens- I WOULD do so actually). For track, it is easy to show measurable numbers to make your case.

But: As it stands now, you really would not have a case- because DS is not attending practices and workouts.

I’d set aside the stuff about “how the coach spoke to your son”- you are not going to get anywhere with that. It will just make things worse.

[Anonymous]

HS coaches are 95% terrible.

Just move on. Keep up the training with the private coach and once your kid demonstrates he is an asset- the HS coach will move on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ dc wants to compete for the team when the official season starts but continue training with this other club coach. HS coach said ‘quit now or you’ll never run again’.

Complain to the AD. If there is a race difference, complain to the county. Try to proactively ruin the coach. It's 2024 and this is a track coach. Schools will suspend them pending and investigation and every school fears the retaliation complaint

h.

This is insane. You cannot possibly be serious.

The coach has every right to require attendance at practice, and every right to make preseason attendance a factor. This is how it is for most sports. The AD is going to back up the coach on that one.

I don’t believe the coach has a right to dictate what workouts her DS does on his own time, but I could be wrong. That would be an issue to take to the AD.

AD? The athletic director?

Ds is not comfortable with parent involvement as it is, and he’d never be on board with going to above the coach, but I have thought I’d consider trying to have dc gave a follow up with the coach with parents there.

The coach was way way way out of line in the way he spoke to dc. I can’t believe that this sort of behavior flies in this day and age tbh

But we aren’t going to try to retaliate

Yes, the athletic director.

My point is if DS is attending workouts & practices and coach tries to punish him for work done outside of practice- you’d have a legit case for going to the AD (and if this actually happens- I WOULD do so actually). For track, it is easy to show measurable numbers to make your case.

But: As it stands now, you really would not have a case- because DS is not attending practices and workouts.

I’d set aside the stuff about “how the coach spoke to your son”- you are not going to get anywhere with that. It will just make things worse.

The AD is a lunatic. I’ve seen him operate in other areas (this is not dcs only sport fwiw, although he just started focusing solely on it this year) and there is a culture of bullying that he embodies.

But I don’t agree. I don’t think any coach or adult should threaten kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HS coaches are 95% terrible.

Just move on. Keep up the training with the private coach and once your kid demonstrates he is an asset- the HS coach will move on

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. Dc will have to figure out how to balance side training and not get messed up with the HS coaches bad training, but if he’s able to do that, the HS coach will likely back down once season starts or even when he sees what dc is doing now. Dc was delivering points for their team at every meet last year, and he’s only gotten better with private training since then. No way will this coach walk away from someone who can help them win.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ dc wants to compete for the team when the official season starts but continue training with this other club coach. HS coach said ‘quit now or you’ll never run again’.

Complain to the AD. If there is a race difference, complain to the county. Try to proactively ruin the coach. It's 2024 and this is a track coach. Schools will suspend them pending and investigation and every school fears the retaliation complaint

This is insane. You cannot possibly be serious.

The coach has every right to require attendance at practice, and every right to make preseason attendance a factor. This is how it is for most sports. The AD is going to back up the coach on that one.

I don’t believe the coach has a right to dictate what workouts her DS does on his own time, but I could be wrong. That would be an issue to take to the AD.

The coach does not have every right to threaten to "ruin" someone, especially a child. I agree with PP, escalate this and get this nutjob fired.