Did they change 3rd grade advanced math?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

Sounds like your DC may be in E3 math. They did a pilot of 20 schools, so you could be at one of those or they rolled out to more.

+1. Too bad to hear they are still doing this. It's ill-advised.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

FCPS believes they are advancing equity by lowering the bar and by diminishing the AAP program.

I doubt this will serve the kids well when they get out of the FCPS bubble and encounter students who have been taught to their ability/challenged in math. Only the ones whose parents devote the time and/or money will be prepared to compete in college and in the job market. It's better to include differentiated instruction in public school for the kids who can handle it than to only allow it where parents have the resources to make it happen. That seems the antithesis of equity.

You do realize that FCPS is one of the best school districts in the Country and people move here for the schools. There are not many places in the country where people have the chance to accelerate to Algebra 1 in 7th grade, seriously, most places have Algebra in 8th grade as the accelerated route. Internationally, there are not that many kids who are ahead of 7th grade Algebra. Yes, I know that there are some countries that accelerate math faster but that is a small percentage of the kids in that Country.Europe and Asian countries have tests for tracking in ES which limit the number of kids taking accelerated math.

There have been schools in FCPSs that don’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade and plenty of those kids end up in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

You all need to chill.

Parent of kid who deferred AAP, took Advanced Math, and is now in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

FCPS believes they are advancing equity by lowering the bar and by diminishing the AAP program.

I doubt this will serve the kids well when they get out of the FCPS bubble and encounter students who have been taught to their ability/challenged in math. Only the ones whose parents devote the time and/or money will be prepared to compete in college and in the job market. It's better to include differentiated instruction in public school for the kids who can handle it than to only allow it where parents have the resources to make it happen. That seems the antithesis of equity.

You do realize that FCPS is one of the best school districts in the Country and people move here for the schools. There are not many places in the country where people have the chance to accelerate to Algebra 1 in 7th grade, seriously, most places have Algebra in 8th grade as the accelerated route. Internationally, there are not that many kids who are ahead of 7th grade Algebra. Yes, I know that there are some countries that accelerate math faster but that is a small percentage of the kids in that Country.Europe and Asian countries have tests for tracking in ES which limit the number of kids taking accelerated math.

There have been schools in FCPSs that don’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade and plenty of those kids end up in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

You all need to chill.

Parent of kid who deferred AAP, took Advanced Math, and is now in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

PP do you not see how you made the point of the poster before you? The poster said kids whose parents have time and/or money will be prepared. I'm guessing your kid is one of those. Even if you didn't ever do any math enrichment, I bet you have both time and money to involve yourself in your kid's/kids' education(s). I do too. Our kids will be fine - for the broad definition of fine, not "get into their preferred school of HYPSM" necessarily. That's the point. It's the kids whose parents don't have time and money who get left behind.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

FCPS believes they are advancing equity by lowering the bar and by diminishing the AAP program.

I doubt this will serve the kids well when they get out of the FCPS bubble and encounter students who have been taught to their ability/challenged in math. Only the ones whose parents devote the time and/or money will be prepared to compete in college and in the job market. It's better to include differentiated instruction in public school for the kids who can handle it than to only allow it where parents have the resources to make it happen. That seems the antithesis of equity.

You do realize that FCPS is one of the best school districts in the Country and people move here for the schools. There are not many places in the country where people have the chance to accelerate to Algebra 1 in 7th grade, seriously, most places have Algebra in 8th grade as the accelerated route. Internationally, there are not that many kids who are ahead of 7th grade Algebra. Yes, I know that there are some countries that accelerate math faster but that is a small percentage of the kids in that Country.Europe and Asian countries have tests for tracking in ES which limit the number of kids taking accelerated math.

There have been schools in FCPSs that don’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade and plenty of those kids end up in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

You all need to chill.

Parent of kid who deferred AAP, took Advanced Math, and is now in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

PP do you not see how you made the point of the poster before you? The poster said kids whose parents have time and/or money will be prepared. I'm guessing your kid is one of those. Even if you didn't ever do any math enrichment, I bet you have both time and money to involve yourself in your kid's/kids' education(s). I do too. Our kids will be fine - for the broad definition of fine, not "get into their preferred school of HYPSM" necessarily. That's the point. It's the kids whose parents don't have time and money who get left behind.

DP. This post is about 3rd grade math - learning multiplication with multiple digits is advanced and will prepare students for Algebra in 7th or 8th grade. If this post were about 5th grade Advanced Math and the teacher said that they would not be taking the 6th grade SOL, that would be cause for concern. What OP posted is not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

FCPS believes they are advancing equity by lowering the bar and by diminishing the AAP program.

I doubt this will serve the kids well when they get out of the FCPS bubble and encounter students who have been taught to their ability/challenged in math. Only the ones whose parents devote the time and/or money will be prepared to compete in college and in the job market. It's better to include differentiated instruction in public school for the kids who can handle it than to only allow it where parents have the resources to make it happen. That seems the antithesis of equity.

You do realize that FCPS is one of the best school districts in the Country and people move here for the schools. There are not many places in the country where people have the chance to accelerate to Algebra 1 in 7th grade, seriously, most places have Algebra in 8th grade as the accelerated route. Internationally, there are not that many kids who are ahead of 7th grade Algebra. Yes, I know that there are some countries that accelerate math faster but that is a small percentage of the kids in that Country.Europe and Asian countries have tests for tracking in ES which limit the number of kids taking accelerated math.

There have been schools in FCPSs that don’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade and plenty of those kids end up in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

You all need to chill.

Parent of kid who deferred AAP, took Advanced Math, and is now in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

PP do you not see how you made the point of the poster before you? The poster said kids whose parents have time and/or money will be prepared. I'm guessing your kid is one of those. Even if you didn't ever do any math enrichment, I bet you have both time and money to involve yourself in your kid's/kids' education(s). I do too. Our kids will be fine - for the broad definition of fine, not "get into their preferred school of HYPSM" necessarily. That's the point. It's the kids whose parents don't have time and money who get left behind.

DP. This post is about 3rd grade math - learning multiplication with multiple digits is advanced and will prepare students for Algebra in 7th or 8th grade. If this post were about 5th grade Advanced Math and the teacher said that they would not be taking the 6th grade SOL, that would be cause for concern. What OP posted is not.

I've had 2 kids do AAP math through 4th grade. They don't learn multi digit by multi digit multiplication (ex: 123 x 48 or the like) until 5th even in the standard advanced math curriculum. I think something like 123 x 4 might be end of 3rd and reviewed in 4th.

[Anonymous]

Teacher here. The pacing guide for 3rd advanced did change. They took a lot out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. The pacing guide for 3rd advanced did change. They took a lot out.

Will it be added in in later grades? Or by experienced 3rd grade teachers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

That’s interesting, my 3rd grader is in advanced math and that sounds like the worksheets he’s getting - place value to the thousands. I haven’t seen any multiplication or division in his worksheets/homework yet. And advanced math is the only thing at his school (small LLIV where the LLIV has literally JUST started last school year) that’s worth a damn, he is also supposed to get some kind of advanced ELA and I don’t think that’s any different at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Teacher here. The pacing guide for 3rd advanced did change. They took a lot out.

Will it be added in in later grades? Or by experienced 3rd grade teachers?

I teach 6th AAP but my 3rd grade AAP teacher said she was shocked at how much they took out. So not sure. I will say 3rd grade as a whole is spending more time on multiplication now than ever which is a good thing. She is a seasoned teacher though so will prob add in when she can. I am doing that this year as the 7th grade standards were dumbed down.

[Anonymous]

E3 math may be rolling out. This removes much of the compaction of grades 3 and 4 in advanced math, but advanced just a bit the gened math.

[Anonymous]

Notwithstanding the fact that we’re barely four weeks into 3rd grade, how and when does the differentiation come in to accommodate a child who is genuinely above-grade in a particular unit? I truly appreciate the AAP program and understand it’s not the same as having a private tutor or smaller class sizes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding the fact that we’re barely four weeks into 3rd grade, how and when does the differentiation come in to accommodate a child who is genuinely above-grade in a particular unit? I truly appreciate the AAP program and understand it’s not the same as having a private tutor or smaller class sizes.

Many people do not like AAP, nor do they like differentiation. It’s definitely on its way to “being for all.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Notwithstanding the fact that we’re barely four weeks into 3rd grade, how and when does the differentiation come in to accommodate a child who is genuinely above-grade in a particular unit? I truly appreciate the AAP program and understand it’s not the same as having a private tutor or smaller class sizes.

It doesn’t. Classes are 30+, you are getting the differentiation by being in the aap class. This is what you get. If you want more extensions, that’s on you to find them.

(Parent of a kid who has always been capable of math 4-5 years ahead of his grade—but we just teach him to go along with whatever they are doing in school)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:E3 math may be rolling out. This removes much of the compaction of grades 3 and 4 in advanced math, but advanced just a bit the gened math.

E3 Math stands for “Equity Cubed.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here from back to school night. I do think the curriculum has changed (teacher said new math curriculum). She explained it that is taking things a step further, ie extensions. For example gen Ed does place value to the hundreds while AAP does place value to the thousands. All math tests are the same for Gen Ed and aap. This sounds distinctly different than what I was told last spring, that AAP would be accelerated at third grade math and half of fourth grade math.

Between this and the language arts curriculum changes- which sounded like extensions for aap would be available to do at home at the end of each unit- I am very underwhelmed.

FCPS believes they are advancing equity by lowering the bar and by diminishing the AAP program.

I doubt this will serve the kids well when they get out of the FCPS bubble and encounter students who have been taught to their ability/challenged in math. Only the ones whose parents devote the time and/or money will be prepared to compete in college and in the job market. It's better to include differentiated instruction in public school for the kids who can handle it than to only allow it where parents have the resources to make it happen. That seems the antithesis of equity.

You do realize that FCPS is one of the best school districts in the Country and people move here for the schools. There are not many places in the country where people have the chance to accelerate to Algebra 1 in 7th grade, seriously, most places have Algebra in 8th grade as the accelerated route. Internationally, there are not that many kids who are ahead of 7th grade Algebra. Yes, I know that there are some countries that accelerate math faster but that is a small percentage of the kids in that Country.Europe and Asian countries have tests for tracking in ES which limit the number of kids taking accelerated math.

There have been schools in FCPSs that don’t start Advanced Math until 5th grade and plenty of those kids end up in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

You all need to chill.

Parent of kid who deferred AAP, took Advanced Math, and is now in Algebra 1 H in 7th grade.

PP is trying to gaslight everyone. FCPS lowered the math standards this year.

The school board and Reid have consistently said their number one priority is not academics; their top priority is “equity.”