York - really strong 10U swimmers who improve vastly in short timeframe

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know how many York girl swimmers there are?

Swimmingrank can be loaded by LSC, club, age group, and gender. Subtract out the 8Us. It’s pretty easy. I just figured out RMSC (143 9-10 girls), NCAP (198 9-10 girls), and Machine (111 9-10 girls) in 4 minutes. Swimmingrank shows career best for current 9-10 swimmers in each event up to 1000 and lists their club. If you can count, you can calculate a percentage using data from swimmingrank.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

Still OP here: To answer your question “how would I know” — my daughter swims these girls all year and at NVSL all stars. I don’t need to be an international spy to read heat sheets and then recognize names on summer league rankings and lists.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m the parent of a top 5 10&U in many events from the SCY season. OP is right that a lot of York 9-10 girls have really improved and ascended. Why are they good: Most swim at Tuckahoe or Chesterbrook in the summer and Yorktown in the winter. They get good coaching with consistent messages and stroke progression year round. Many are from generational swim families that prioritize swimming from an early age- think age 3, not 9.

Why are there so many now: it ebbs and flows. Look at the 11-12s for York, it’s not nearly as strong.

And for rankings: none of the websites have perfect databases swimcloud, swimmingrank, etc. I find swimmerstats though frequently out of commission, to give the best, easiest view of rank in an age group within a club / PVS.

Thank you for sharing your experience! Someone else wrote that York is fun, and I would love to know what that means so we can think about ways to implement more fun at our practice location.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

But yet you were able to identify which York swimmers also swim for NVSL and the NVSL team they swim for? That would take quite a bit to piece together if you have no connection to the club since NVSL doesn’t ID their swimmers’ club affiliation.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

But yet you were able to identify which York swimmers also swim for NVSL and the NVSL team they swim for? That would take quite a bit to piece together if you have no connection to the club since NVSL doesn’t ID their swimmers’ club affiliation.

(a) I addressed that above. (b) I addressed the “why” above as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

But yet you were able to identify which York swimmers also swim for NVSL and the NVSL team they swim for? That would take quite a bit to piece together if you have no connection to the club since NVSL doesn’t ID their swimmers’ club affiliation.

(a) I addressed that above. (b) I addressed the “why” above as well.

No, you never addressed how it is you would know who the York swimmers in NVSL are. But carry on with whatever it is you are attempting to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Re: knowing which club NVSL represent, swim at the same meets in the same heats with the same kids 6-10 times in the winter, then 1-2 times in the summer and you “know” who the competition is.

Right, but the OP claims that they live 1+ hours from a York site (implying they don’t have a swimmer there) and is just an outside observer so they would have no reason to know which York swimmers are also swimming NVSL and their places. Come on people, critical thinking.

I’m OP and I assure you I live in south county. Goodness, isn’t it okay to be impressed and wonder what York leadership and coaches are doing well? Can’t we all learn from positive growth? I just listened to a podcast interviewing Sergio Lopez about how he coaches individual swimmers (particularly how he coached Ryan Murphy and Caeleb Dressel). He talked about scheduling time to learn from other coaches like Greg Troy and Eddie Reese.

But yet you were able to identify which York swimmers also swim for NVSL and the NVSL team they swim for? That would take quite a bit to piece together if you have no connection to the club since NVSL doesn’t ID their swimmers’ club affiliation.

(a) I addressed that above. (b) I addressed the “why” above as well.

No, you never addressed how it is you would know who the York swimmers in NVSL are. But carry on with whatever it is you are attempting to do.

Here is what I wrote above: “ Still OP here: To answer your question “how would I know” — my daughter swims these girls all year and at NVSL all stars. I don’t need to be an international spy to read heat sheets and then recognize names on summer league rankings and lists.”

Why are you being so angry and argumentative? If you have a top swimmer who swims 2 meets + a month and a gazillion in the summer, I imagine you have the capacity to recognize 11 names.

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DP, but I have noticed that a couple of 10 year old boys that one of my sons knows have also done really well there too. My son used to be as fast or faster than them, but these two boys have really pulled away lately. Mine is not as committed to swimming and is fine with losing to kids who are swimming a lot more than he does. But it does seem like they're doing something right at York for the kids who are "all in".

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Swimstandards.com now pulls in NVSL results and can match up a USA swimming swimmer to the NVSL times very fast. Additionally reach for the wall also collates those data sets as well

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the parent of a top 5 10&U in many events from the SCY season. OP is right that a lot of York 9-10 girls have really improved and ascended. Why are they good: Most swim at Tuckahoe or Chesterbrook in the summer and Yorktown in the winter. They get good coaching with consistent messages and stroke progression year round. Many are from generational swim families that prioritize swimming from an early age- think age 3, not 9.

Why are there so many now: it ebbs and flows. Look at the 11-12s for York, it’s not nearly as strong.

And for rankings: none of the websites have perfect databases swimcloud, swimmingrank, etc. I find swimmerstats though frequently out of commission, to give the best, easiest view of rank in an age group within a club / PVS.

Thank you for sharing your experience! Someone else wrote that York is fun, and I would love to know what that means so we can think about ways to implement more fun at our practice location.

York parent here. Not always, but at practice the kids do relays and play games to mix up the kids and cheer for each other. York as a club also does fun outings for the kids (a fall social & costume party, spring bowling, and a few family travel meets throughout the year). The more the kids [and parents] see each other, helps to build friendships. And swimming is more fun when you are with your friends.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m the parent of a top 5 10&U in many events from the SCY season. OP is right that a lot of York 9-10 girls have really improved and ascended. Why are they good: Most swim at Tuckahoe or Chesterbrook in the summer and Yorktown in the winter. They get good coaching with consistent messages and stroke progression year round. Many are from generational swim families that prioritize swimming from an early age- think age 3, not 9.

Why are there so many now: it ebbs and flows. Look at the 11-12s for York, it’s not nearly as strong.

And for rankings: none of the websites have perfect databases swimcloud, swimmingrank, etc. I find swimmerstats though frequently out of commission, to give the best, easiest view of rank in an age group within a club / PVS.

Thank you for sharing your experience! Someone else wrote that York is fun, and I would love to know what that means so we can think about ways to implement more fun at our practice location.

York parent here. Not always, but at practice the kids do relays and play games to mix up the kids and cheer for each other. York as a club also does fun outings for the kids (a fall social & costume party, spring bowling, and a few family travel meets throughout the year). The more the kids [and parents] see each other, helps to build friendships. And swimming is more fun when you are with your friends.

Do you know of this philosophy is consistent across all of their locations? York’s Facebook account shows a various fun things during practice at the Oak Mont location, but wasn’t sure if they happen elsewhere too? And do the kids from different locations get together at the events outside the pool? I’m looking at York for my younger kid who is quite social and would do well in a setting where friendships among the kids is encouraged.

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All York social events and travel meets are for all locations.

I can't speak to all four locations, but relays
or games the last 5 minutes of practice is common among the two locations that I have observed, usually for the 10 and unders.

Oakmont, nee Oak Marr, posts on FB because that is the social media outlet that one of the coaches at that location uses. The senior group posts on Instagram bc that coach uses IG. Some of the coaches don't use FB, therefore they don't post online. This is simply a personality/ generational thing.

[Anonymous]

Another York parent here - they do relays and play games, even in the older ages (and at other locations). The coaches are really focused on hard work and fun, with fun coming first. They actively told my 12 year old not to bump up to 5 days a week of practice, because they don't want to see burnout. They recommend 3-4 at that age, even in the more advanced groups.

The 13 and overs do a retreat each year where they don't actually swim at all. It's all focused on team building and personal growth. It's a highlight for sure.