Algebra 2 in 8th grade

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Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

I am pretty sure you can troll better.

DP
The elementary school MAP has ceiling in content (prealgebra) so a math-smart, well-practiced (out of school enrichment), non-ADHD kid can get 250+ by being patient and attentive and careful.

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Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

I am pretty sure you can troll better.

DP
The elementary school MAP has ceiling in content (prealgebra) so a math-smart, well-practiced (out of school enrichment), non-ADHD kid can get 250+ by being patient and attentive and careful.

LOL - many 8 year olds score 250+. According to NWEA it's a 99.999% score.

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Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

Same thing happened to us. If you aren't at a W feeder you're out of luck.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

You requested what? We are talking about Alg 2 in 8th grade. You've got to understand the system to make it work for you, PP!

My kid was in elementary school compacted math and although in pool for the middle school magnet, was not selected in the lottery round. So we asked the math coordinator at her middle school that she take a placement test to take Alg 1 in 6th grade. In 8th grade she was bused to the high school to take Alg 2. She has several options for 11th and 12th in her high school, and can even attend UMD math classes if she wants. We know someone who did that.

You cannot jump at the elementary school level, PP, because it's not structured to accommodate students like that. Kids cannot be bused from elementary to middle, so if you 3rd grader takes compacted math a year early, then won't have anything left for 5th. Elementary school, public and private, are the most boring for precocious kids, because of that rigidity in curriculum. Parents have their kids take AOPS or similar, outside of school, so they don't end up hating math.

It's in 6th grade that you can make your case, and since Alg 6 is not a publicly available course, parents need to ask for a placement test from the middle school math coordinator, just like multilingual kids get placement tests for language classes.

You really need to understand what your public school can accommodate before complaining. And when there's an avenue for advancement, you need to be know where and who to ask, and make sure your kid is ready. MCPS frowns on early advancement, because they claim that a lot of kids then struggle at the high school level, but you know your kid best, and you can insist if you want.

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Just as a data point Frost offers alg 2 in school. I believe it depends on the size of the cohort. They do warn us that there is no guarantee that alg 2 will be offered in school and that they may need to walk next door to wootton if there aren't enough students to justify a class. The two schools are next door and so it was no big deal to us.

Our process was that we were already aware that alg in 6th was an option. Since our daughter had performed very strongly in compact 5/6. We did specific private tutoring over the summer to cover the gaps skipping AIM would entail. In August we requested our daughter to be placed in algebra (coming from compact 5/6) based on 250+ MAPM score. As explained to us Frost had a formal process for this and she was placed in AIM along with other kids during which an evaluation would be done. After two weeks we were told by the teacher they could go either way to remain in AIM or move up to alg and it was up to us. From my daughter's impression the "louder" kids got moved up as well. My child is shy and quiet and did her work so probably didn't stand out and thus was considered a borderline candidate (ie didn't stand out to the teachers as exceptional)

Reading between the lines it seems who makes the cutoff or not depends on teachers trying to balance classroom size along with having a large enough cohort to continue to justify offering alg 2 in 8th. Its not a hard cutoff and there seems to be alot of subjectivity to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The preview of high school might be nice. The 30min earlier start puts the whole day at risk of sleepiness distraction from learning.

There's a petition for that!

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Anonymous wrote:Just as a data point Frost offers alg 2 in school. I believe it depends on the size of the cohort. They do warn us that there is no guarantee that alg 2 will be offered in school and that they may need to walk next door to wootton if there aren't enough students to justify a class. The two schools are next door and so it was no big deal to us.

Our process was that we were already aware that alg in 6th was an option. Since our daughter had performed very strongly in compact 5/6. We did specific private tutoring over the summer to cover the gaps skipping AIM would entail. In August we requested our daughter to be placed in algebra (coming from compact 5/6) based on 250+ MAPM score. As explained to us Frost had a formal process for this and she was placed in AIM along with other kids during which an evaluation would be done. After two weeks we were told by the teacher they could go either way to remain in AIM or move up to alg and it was up to us. From my daughter's impression the "louder" kids got moved up as well. My child is shy and quiet and did her work so probably didn't stand out and thus was considered a borderline candidate (ie didn't stand out to the teachers as exceptional)

Reading between the lines it seems who makes the cutoff or not depends on teachers trying to balance classroom size along with having a large enough cohort to continue to justify offering alg 2 in 8th. Its not a hard cutoff and there seems to be alot of subjectivity to it.

thanks PP

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Does algebra 1 cover quadratic equations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Such a bad idea. There is no reason to race through math.

+1

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IME mostly in the DCC schools where there is a significant group of UMC white parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Such a bad idea. There is no reason to race through math.

+1

+2

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

You requested what? We are talking about Alg 2 in 8th grade. You've got to understand the system to make it work for you, PP!

My kid was in elementary school compacted math and although in pool for the middle school magnet, was not selected in the lottery round. So we asked the math coordinator at her middle school that she take a placement test to take Alg 1 in 6th grade. In 8th grade she was bused to the high school to take Alg 2. She has several options for 11th and 12th in her high school, and can even attend UMD math classes if she wants. We know someone who did that.

You cannot jump at the elementary school level, PP, because it's not structured to accommodate students like that. Kids cannot be bused from elementary to middle, so if you 3rd grader takes compacted math a year early, then won't have anything left for 5th. Elementary school, public and private, are the most boring for precocious kids, because of that rigidity in curriculum. Parents have their kids take AOPS or similar, outside of school, so they don't end up hating math.

It's in 6th grade that you can make your case, and since Alg 6 is not a publicly available course, parents need to ask for a placement test from the middle school math coordinator, just like multilingual kids get placement tests for language classes.

You really need to understand what your public school can accommodate before complaining. And when there's an avenue for advancement, you need to be know where and who to ask, and make sure your kid is ready. MCPS frowns on early advancement, because they claim that a lot of kids then struggle at the high school level, but you know your kid best, and you can insist if you want.

Yes, they need to understand that these options are only available at wealthy Potomac schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which schools offer Algebra 2 onsite in 8th grade?

If a school doesn't offer it onsite, is it better to take it at nearby high school, or take an outside course / home study and try to skip via exam in high school in 9th grade?

The wealthy Potomac ones.

You attracted the MCPS math troll, OP.
It’s better to take first period Alg 2 at the high school, then return to second period at the middle school. That way it’s still the MCPS curriculum.

DD just did this, and it also gave her the opportunity to gently transition into the high school building. This is in the BCC cluster.

I don’t know of any middle school offering Alg 2, apart from magnets, I suppose. MCPS is trying to move away from offering to much customization.

The real math troll is the poster who keeps trying to cover up these inequities. It's horrible that wealthy schools offer enrichment not available to all students.

Sigh. No. Anyone can request it. It’s just that parents in wealthy neighborhoods tend to be better informed and know they can ask.

Some math coordinators discourage the practice, certainly. It’s the case for the Westland MS math coordinator.

That's simply not true. In fact, I requested this at our DCC ES for my 3rd grader that was scoring 250+ on their MAP-M and was told it wasn't an option. They had to sleep through two years of compacted and AIM.

You requested what? We are talking about Alg 2 in 8th grade. You've got to understand the system to make it work for you, PP!

My kid was in elementary school compacted math and although in pool for the middle school magnet, was not selected in the lottery round. So we asked the math coordinator at her middle school that she take a placement test to take Alg 1 in 6th grade. In 8th grade she was bused to the high school to take Alg 2. She has several options for 11th and 12th in her high school, and can even attend UMD math classes if she wants. We know someone who did that.

You cannot jump at the elementary school level, PP, because it's not structured to accommodate students like that. Kids cannot be bused from elementary to middle, so if you 3rd grader takes compacted math a year early, then won't have anything left for 5th. Elementary school, public and private, are the most boring for precocious kids, because of that rigidity in curriculum. Parents have their kids take AOPS or similar, outside of school, so they don't end up hating math.

It's in 6th grade that you can make your case, and since Alg 6 is not a publicly available course, parents need to ask for a placement test from the middle school math coordinator, just like multilingual kids get placement tests for language classes.

You really need to understand what your public school can accommodate before complaining. And when there's an avenue for advancement, you need to be know where and who to ask, and make sure your kid is ready. MCPS frowns on early advancement, because they claim that a lot of kids then struggle at the high school level, but you know your kid best, and you can insist if you want.

Yes, they need to understand that these options are only available at wealthy Potomac schools.

Stop with the lies. My child did it down county. The problem comes in high school where not all schools have multiple variable or other higher level math.