Guess the Outcome of Fairfax County's Repeat Car Thief Nearing 18 – Justice or Failure?

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Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

Not true. A more significant number of these criminals stop by the time they hit their mid to late 20s.

It is absolutely true. You are proving my point. Put them in jail for 20 years at least. A majority of them commit crimes again. So it makes no sense to give leniency to any of them.Soft on crime policies prioritize criminals over public safety. These progressives that want to lessen criminal penalties are either ridiculously stupid or flat out evil. We should prioritize the safety of many over ineffective rehabilitation of broken people. Most of them cannot be helped and they will never get better.

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Anonymous wrote:Actual outcome: This teen was allowed to plead down to just 2 months of jail for unauthorized use of a vehicle. Despite turning 18 in a few months, the authorities never considered trying him as an adult.

I notice you cannot provide a link. There aren't a lot of carjackings in Fairfax and I couldn't find one matching your description in a search.

Juvenile cases are not public. Just letting you all know from my source

There are news reports of local carjackings by 17 year old drivers. There was the recent carjacking from Vienna metro that ended in a crash. There was the carjacking that ended in a crash into the gas station pump. There was the crash with 6 passengers injured including 5 ejected. Etc.

What if it wasn't a car jacking? There are stolen vehicles everywhere.

[Anonymous]

If this wasn’t a carjacking and just a regular car theft, this how the majority of jurisdictions would handle it. If you are a juvenile at the time the crime was committed, you are charged as a juvenile unless the crime falls into the category of offenses for which you can be charged as an adult. There is no saying you were super close to being 18 so we are charging you as an adult regardless of the crime.

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Theft of an unoccupied vehicle — keep in juvie. If he does it again at 18+ then he’s an adult. This is of course assuming there wasn’t an added element like reckless driving or DUI.

Carjacking or other violent crime — charge as an adult.

In my mind there is a big difference between a property crime and a crime with potential victims. Carjackings are dangerous to innocent people. I also think vehicular homicide due to DUIs should be charged as an adult (I live in Arlington and drive past the area where Braylon Meade was killed and it still upsets me there was never justice). And no I don’t even know the family. But overall I think when you cross over to actions that harm or have high potential to harm innocent people, then you have gone beyond teen mischief.

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Is it a white kid or minority? Makes a huge difference.

If it’s a white kind with middle class parents he’s fxked.

If it’s a minority he will be released without bail.

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1. Any 17 year old (or for that matter any 15 or 16 year old) who commits a serious crime involving willfulness knows perfectly well what s/he is doing, and intends the actions and the results.

2. The national "Raise The Age" movement has largely succeeded in encouraging the commission of crimes by these young thugs.

3. The existence of separate juvenile courts is intended to prevent actual criminal justice intervention - not to "rehabilitate" anyone.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:1. Any 17 year old (or for that matter any 15 or 16 year old) who commits a serious crime involving willfulness knows perfectly well what s/he is doing, and intends the actions and the results.

2. The national "Raise The Age" movement has largely succeeded in encouraging the commission of crimes by these young thugs.

3. The existence of separate juvenile courts is intended to prevent actual criminal justice intervention - not to "rehabilitate" anyone.

Yes, Anyone 12 and older should be tried as an adult. I have no sympathy for these teenager. They should know better and if they don't it is unsafe for them to around the general public, so life in jail is thew best option.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

This. IDGAF about rehabilitation. I just want the threat removed. Bury him under the jail and lock his parents up too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

Do you think his morals will suddenly change and he will just what go to college and start becoming a productive member of society?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it a white kid or minority? Makes a huge difference.

If it’s a white kind with middle class parents he’s fxked.

If it’s a minority he will be released without bail.

People will down play you as a RWNJ but there is a case in Alexandria right now that proves your point brilliantly. A rich white kid from Old Town beat the snot out of a poor black kid from the berg who had been arrested at least twice before for assault. No punishmnt either time. But this time the poor black kid picked the wrong kid to try to rob and got beat bad and severely injured.

Rich white kids' parents have spent upwards of $30,000 keeping their son out of jail. Literally no charges for the black kid that started it all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Theft of an unoccupied vehicle — keep in juvie. If he does it again at 18+ then he’s an adult. This is of course assuming there wasn’t an added element like reckless driving or DUI.

Carjacking or other violent crime — charge as an adult.

In my mind there is a big difference between a property crime and a crime with potential victims. Carjackings are dangerous to innocent people. I also think vehicular homicide due to DUIs should be charged as an adult (I live in Arlington and drive past the area where Braylon Meade was killed and it still upsets me there was never justice). And no I don’t even know the family. But overall I think when you cross over to actions that harm or have high potential to harm innocent people, then you have gone beyond teen mischief.

I drive past here frequently too. That was such a leverage of justice. I hope that druggie kid turned his life around. I doubt it though.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

Not true. A more significant number of these criminals stop by the time they hit their mid to late 20s.

Because they finally get put in jail?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

Not true. A more significant number of these criminals stop by the time they hit their mid to late 20s.

Because they finally get put in jail?

No, because they grow up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

Not true. A more significant number of these criminals stop by the time they hit their mid to late 20s.

Because they finally get put in jail?

No, because they grow up.

So everyone in prison is there because they werent allowed to grow up?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He should remain in juvenile court so that we don’t destroy his life. Maybe he could go to a youth camp or something. He definitely needs some sort of heavy intervention. The fact that he was riding around with other younger kids is a sign that he is not a full on adult criminal. It’s cheaper in the long run if we can rehabilitate this young man rather than break him in adult prison.

It must be nice living in La La Land.

Most criminals don't get better. Rehabilitation, wrap around services, and therapy don't work well to reduce crime. The most effective way to reduce crime is by throwing people who commit crime in jail to prevent them from harming other people. Most kids are not antisocial criminals that steal cars or act out violently. The people that do this should be locked up to protect the rights of everyone else.

Not true. A more significant number of these criminals stop by the time they hit their mid to late 20s.

Because they finally get put in jail?

No, because they grow up.

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