Digital timing in summer leagues

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Anonymous wrote:They have touchpads at the Rockville pool in MCSL, but they don't use them for A meets so far as I know. They do use them for the Coach's Long Course and the All Stars.

Touchpads are not used at Rockville pool for A meets (SCM)

Yes used for Coaches LC at Rockville pool (LCM)

All Stars at Rockville pool, I doubt it but not sure (SCM)

I timed at last years all stars and used a plunger.

Yes I think it’s fair for all stars abd relay carnival (league championships). It’s not fair for other meets since the plungers are slower than watches. It should be comparable timing systems across the league.

I have heard that plungers are slower, but haven't really found that to be true in my experience with timing winter meets where I have both a plunger and a stopwatch. Is there any hard evidence of this?

The human is slower to get the start on watch compared to the plunger or dolfin watches, which are automatic starts. The difference is slight, but any difference matters in a timed sport or being compared against other watch times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have touchpads at the Rockville pool in MCSL, but they don't use them for A meets so far as I know. They do use them for the Coach's Long Course and the All Stars.

Touchpads are not used at Rockville pool for A meets (SCM)

Yes used for Coaches LC at Rockville pool (LCM)

All Stars at Rockville pool, I doubt it but not sure (SCM)

I timed at last years all stars and used a plunger.

Yes I think it’s fair for all stars abd relay carnival (league championships). It’s not fair for other meets since the plungers are slower than watches. It should be comparable timing systems across the league.

I have heard that plungers are slower, but haven't really found that to be true in my experience with timing winter meets where I have both a plunger and a stopwatch. Is there any hard evidence of this?

The human is slower to get the start on watch compared to the plunger or dolfin watches, which are automatic starts. The difference is slight, but any difference matters in a timed sport or being compared against other watch times.

I get that, but plungers go with touchpads and the touchpad will be the primary timing mechanism most of the time. A human timer will have a delayed reaction time on the start, but will also have a delayed reaction on the finish. In my experience, there's no consistent difference. Sometimes my watch time is slower than the automatic time and sometimes it's faster.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have touchpads at the Rockville pool in MCSL, but they don't use them for A meets so far as I know. They do use them for the Coach's Long Course and the All Stars.

Touchpads are not used at Rockville pool for A meets (SCM)

Yes used for Coaches LC at Rockville pool (LCM)

All Stars at Rockville pool, I doubt it but not sure (SCM)

I timed at last years all stars and used a plunger.

Yes I think it’s fair for all stars abd relay carnival (league championships). It’s not fair for other meets since the plungers are slower than watches. It should be comparable timing systems across the league.

I have heard that plungers are slower, but haven't really found that to be true in my experience with timing winter meets where I have both a plunger and a stopwatch. Is there any hard evidence of this?

The human is slower to get the start on watch compared to the plunger or dolfin watches, which are automatic starts. The difference is slight, but any difference matters in a timed sport or being compared against other watch times.

I get that, but plungers go with touchpads and the touchpad will be the primary timing mechanism most of the time. A human timer will have a delayed reaction time on the start, but will also have a delayed reaction on the finish. In my experience, there's no consistent difference. Sometimes my watch time is slower than the automatic time and sometimes it's faster.

We’re talking about summer swim. No touchpads. There are a few teams or meets using the plungers or the dolfin watches.

Is there any documentation comparing watch times to plungers or digital watches?

[Anonymous]

I wish mcsl allow you to install your own touchpad on your kid's lane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They have touchpads at the Rockville pool in MCSL, but they don't use them for A meets so far as I know. They do use them for the Coach's Long Course and the All Stars.

Touchpads are not used at Rockville pool for A meets (SCM)

Yes used for Coaches LC at Rockville pool (LCM)

All Stars at Rockville pool, I doubt it but not sure (SCM)

I timed at last years all stars and used a plunger.

Yes I think it’s fair for all stars abd relay carnival (league championships). It’s not fair for other meets since the plungers are slower than watches. It should be comparable timing systems across the league.

I have heard that plungers are slower, but haven't really found that to be true in my experience with timing winter meets where I have both a plunger and a stopwatch. Is there any hard evidence of this?

The human is slower to get the start on watch compared to the plunger or dolfin watches, which are automatic starts. The difference is slight, but any difference matters in a timed sport or being compared against other watch times.

I get that, but plungers go with touchpads and the touchpad will be the primary timing mechanism most of the time. A human timer will have a delayed reaction time on the start, but will also have a delayed reaction on the finish. In my experience, there's no consistent difference. Sometimes my watch time is slower than the automatic time and sometimes it's faster.

We’re talking about summer swim. No touchpads. There are a few teams or meets using the plungers or the dolfin watches.

Is there any documentation comparing watch times to plungers or digital watches?

The Rockville pool uses touchpads for Coach's Long Course and All-Stars. I don't think I've ever seen plungers without touchpads.

[Anonymous]

Hand times are almost always faster than automatic times.

1. There is a reaction delay between when the buzzer goes off and the timer clicks the start button
2. Humans naturally anticipate when the touch will happen and click "stop" slightly before the actual touch

More than you ever wanted to know about timing (doesn't 100% agree with what I said above):

https://www.pacswim.org/userfiles/cms/documents/1320/more-than-you-ever-wanted-to-know-about-timing-at-swim-meets.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish mcsl allow you to install your own touchpad on your kid's lane.

The younger swimmers have more trouble hitting the touchpad hard enough to get a finish. If you have ever watched a PVS meet with a scoreboard, you can see that touchpads don’t always get the finish- especially for the younger, smaller, weaker swimmers.