Silver Spring farmers’ market

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so bad for the vendors who have to listen to hours of shouting “preaching” through speakers - it’s about 33% bible related, 33% black empowerment messages and 33% the white man is your enemy messages. It is loud and aggressive.

Eh, most of that is right on Fenton. The vendors are more likely to be listening to the folk music, or the extremely talented high school flautist who often busks over by the civic center.

The DTSS Farmer's Market is a joy, and while I find the Black Israelites annoying, they are also not interested in me (a white woman). They are there to prosthetize to Black folks. Just think of them like Chabad for Black folks. If you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone.

But they are disturbing the peace!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:That's life in a free society.

No it’s not. There are noise ordinances and permits that are required, even in all free societies in the planet. Don’t conflate anarchy with freedom.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Take away the speakers?

They’re not allowed, because it’d be ‘racist’ and disproportionately impact minorities. The county council would first have to hire a consulting firm for $300,000 to first study the issue in order to determine if taking action would conflict with diversity, equity, and justice goals for the county. Then they’d have to spend $50k on a local social justice focused community activist organization to poll the locals about the issue. Even if after all of that the council finds that the community can’t stand the dumbass bible thumping idiots, they’d still kneecap the police from breaking them up or would just want to give them a slap on the wrist anyway. There’s a reason why MoCo is a declining sewer.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel so bad for the vendors who have to listen to hours of shouting “preaching” through speakers - it’s about 33% bible related, 33% black empowerment messages and 33% the white man is your enemy messages. It is loud and aggressive.

Eh, most of that is right on Fenton. The vendors are more likely to be listening to the folk music, or the extremely talented high school flautist who often busks over by the civic center.

The DTSS Farmer's Market is a joy, and while I find the Black Israelites annoying, they are also not interested in me (a white woman). They are there to prosthetize to Black folks. Just think of them like Chabad for Black folks. If you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone.

The Black Israelites HATE lbgtq, which makes you wonder why they’re allowed to continue to do what they do when they spew so much anti-gay hate speech.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel so bad for the vendors who have to listen to hours of shouting “preaching” through speakers - it’s about 33% bible related, 33% black empowerment messages and 33% the white man is your enemy messages. It is loud and aggressive.

Eh, most of that is right on Fenton. The vendors are more likely to be listening to the folk music, or the extremely talented high school flautist who often busks over by the civic center.

The DTSS Farmer's Market is a joy, and while I find the Black Israelites annoying, they are also not interested in me (a white woman). They are there to prosthetize to Black folks. Just think of them like Chabad for Black folks. If you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone.

They are nothing like Chabad. That's a pretty ignorant (and mean-spirited) comparison.

I haven't heard this group in Silver Spring sounding off, but Black Israelites often do venture into rantings that are offensive to Jews. I used to think it was fine for kooks to rant, but over the last couple of years I have been very disturbed by how much of their ravings about Jews have seeped into the mainstream. [see Kanye's brain droppings for best known example.]

Maybe Silver Spring could provide a "speakers' corner" for the crazies somewhere less obtrusive and require permits for amplified entertainment everywhere else?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

We were at the Silver Spring farmer's market. My spouse went up to the speaker and told him that he was violating the code and he said "call the police" My spouse did and the police said they were told not to do anything by the people in charge of Montgomery county..so unless we start complaining nothing is going to be done.

You can't enjoy the farmer's market nor Veteran's plaza with the noise. I also hate the Hare Krishna's who also are loud

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

We were at the Silver Spring farmer's market. My spouse went up to the speaker and told him that he was violating the code and he said "call the police" My spouse did and the police said they were told not to do anything by the people in charge of Montgomery county..so unless we start complaining nothing is going to be done.

You can't enjoy the farmer's market nor Veteran's plaza with the noise. I also hate the Hare Krishna's who also are loud

Thank you for trying to do your part. It really does take a lot of people calling, and doing it every time these people are out there, plus being persistent with elected leaders. Similar to you, police have told me that isolated calls about noise are basically ignored.

[Anonymous]

Come on down to the Gateway Farmers Market in Mount Rainier. We just have an old lady with a sign that says “climate conversations.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

If the police enforced noise ordinances to remove these people, activists and politicians would immediately complain and the MCPD commander would be out of a job. Police will do something about it when they know that their actions are not second guessed and criticized.

Maybe, but if this happened in downtown Bethesda, do you think it would be allowed? My guess is no, and that's because the businesses and residents of Bethesda are more vigilant about not allowing this sort of behavior, and they would complain repeatedly to the police and elected officials. The people of Silver Spring like to complain but then don't take actions consistent with those complaints, or they are just more willing to believe that these nuisances are somehow a necessary evil associated with downtown areas and so we must tolerate them.

That’s because the activists and politicians in Bethesda are different and have different values/constituencies.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

We were at the Silver Spring farmer's market. My spouse went up to the speaker and told him that he was violating the code and he said "call the police" My spouse did and the police said they were told not to do anything by the people in charge of Montgomery county..so unless we start complaining nothing is going to be done.

You can't enjoy the farmer's market nor Veteran's plaza with the noise. I also hate the Hare Krishna's who also are loud

Thank you for trying to do your part. It really does take a lot of people calling, and doing it every time these people are out there, plus being persistent with elected leaders. Similar to you, police have told me that isolated calls about noise are basically ignored.

Didn’t you read the post? There is no amount of calling the police that will lead them to do anything. If you are calling the police to address this, you are calling the wrong people. If you want this to stop you need to take all of that energy and have a hundred people call your Councilmembers. They are the reason why the police will not enforce the law and they have the power to change that. And if your Councilmembers refuse to do anything, then you need to vote for different people. That’s it.

[Anonymous]

I Don’t go there anymore it’s annoying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

We were at the Silver Spring farmer's market. My spouse went up to the speaker and told him that he was violating the code and he said "call the police" My spouse did and the police said they were told not to do anything by the people in charge of Montgomery county..so unless we start complaining nothing is going to be done.

You can't enjoy the farmer's market nor Veteran's plaza with the noise. I also hate the Hare Krishna's who also are loud

Thank you for trying to do your part. It really does take a lot of people calling, and doing it every time these people are out there, plus being persistent with elected leaders. Similar to you, police have told me that isolated calls about noise are basically ignored.

Didn’t you read the post? There is no amount of calling the police that will lead them to do anything. If you are calling the police to address this, you are calling the wrong people. If you want this to stop you need to take all of that energy and have a hundred people call your Councilmembers. They are the reason why the police will not enforce the law and they have the power to change that. And if your Councilmembers refuse to do anything, then you need to vote for different people. That’s it.

Good idea. Let's everyone call this week

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

If the police enforced noise ordinances to remove these people, activists and politicians would immediately complain and the MCPD commander would be out of a job. Police will do something about it when they know that their actions are not second guessed and criticized.

Maybe, but if this happened in downtown Bethesda, do you think it would be allowed? My guess is no, and that's because the businesses and residents of Bethesda are more vigilant about not allowing this sort of behavior, and they would complain repeatedly to the police and elected officials. The people of Silver Spring like to complain but then don't take actions consistent with those complaints, or they are just more willing to believe that these nuisances are somehow a necessary evil associated with downtown areas and so we must tolerate them.

That’s because the activists and politicians in Bethesda are different and have different values/constituencies.

What exactly is the value in having someone yelling hateful messages into a microphone, and who is the constituency that supports it? Serious question. I'm puzzled as to why anyone supports this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

If the police enforced noise ordinances to remove these people, activists and politicians would immediately complain and the MCPD commander would be out of a job. Police will do something about it when they know that their actions are not second guessed and criticized.

Maybe, but if this happened in downtown Bethesda, do you think it would be allowed? My guess is no, and that's because the businesses and residents of Bethesda are more vigilant about not allowing this sort of behavior, and they would complain repeatedly to the police and elected officials. The people of Silver Spring like to complain but then don't take actions consistent with those complaints, or they are just more willing to believe that these nuisances are somehow a necessary evil associated with downtown areas and so we must tolerate them.

That’s because the activists and politicians in Bethesda are different and have different values/constituencies.

What exactly is the value in having someone yelling hateful messages into a microphone, and who is the constituency that supports it? Serious question. I'm puzzled as to why anyone supports this.

You’re asking the wrong person. You should ask Will Jawando, Kate Stewart, Kristin Mink and Evan Glass. They are the ones preventing police from enforcing the law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Police could do something if they wanted. It's above the levels allowed by the noise laws. But if no one complains, it will continue.

Even if people complain what would they do?

Do you really think the police are powerless? There is a noise law that the police can enforce, and I'm guessing getting fined every day and told to stop under threat of arrest would go a long way toward getting them to go away. Do you really think that if they showed up on some random residential street, this would be allowed? Maybe the police give them more leeway because that plaza hosts concerts, and so it's just generally viewed as a noisy place and the police don't want to draw lines, but there's nothing wrong with allowing occasional concerts and not allowed random people with a microphone. But it will take a group of people calling the police and/or their elected officials a lot, and probably no one is motivated enough to take it on.

We were at the Silver Spring farmer's market. My spouse went up to the speaker and told him that he was violating the code and he said "call the police" My spouse did and the police said they were told not to do anything by the people in charge of Montgomery county..so unless we start complaining nothing is going to be done.

You can't enjoy the farmer's market nor Veteran's plaza with the noise. I also hate the Hare Krishna's who also are loud

That doesn’t surprise me. At one point there was an unhoused guy harassing people in one of the parking garages and despite calls nothing was done about it. Maybe that’s changed, I stopped parking there.