What is the purpose of yelling at refs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only time it's ever seemed justified to me (and to be clear, I'm not the one yelling) is when a ref is not calling any fouls and the game starts to get out of hand. I've seen games where things escalate and it starts to get dangerous, kids can get injured.

Other than that, it's b.s..

This. Actually this was me once. I said if you don’t call the fouls a parent is gonna need to take a kid to the hospital, he threatened to kick me out. Our game ended, the next game A fight broke out and he looked at me and I said that was on you. He mildly acknowledged it was caused by him being a bad ref.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m both a parent and a NCSL coach, and have reffed in the past. A few thoughts.

- The field is often loud, the distances can be far, and you’re not allowed to enter the field to get close to the ref. You often have to yell to communicate.

- Yelling about calls happens in virtually every sport, at every level. Ever watch a basketball or football game?

- I never yell about throw ins. That’s stupid.

-Yelling should be about a call, and should never include personal attacks.

- Refs miss things all the time, or are unsure. They’re human, and others often have angles the ref doesn’t have. If they see a shot in the box and it hits off an arm, but they’re not sure whose arm, if one coach is yelling for a handball and the other is not, that can influence them.

- Especially at uLittle, I can’t count how many times a ref does not know or apply the rules correctly. Build out line is always the worst, but I have had refs forget there is no offside before the build out line (and call it just past midfield), forget keepers can’t punt, not stop the game after the ball hit someone in the head, etc.

- I’ve also seen some biased behavior (intentional or otherwise), and am going to call it out. One ref at uLittle was letting one team retake bad throws, but their opponent had to turn the ball over every time it happened to them. I had a game the other day where there were multiple handballs in the box by one team, with the ball hitting a defenders forearm which was above their shoulder in each case. Never called. End of game, a midfielder passes back to my defender in our own box. Defender goes to play the ball, it hits a bump in the grass and caroms off the top of her foot into her bicep, which is at maybe a ten degree angle to her torso (ie a natural one). PK that tied the game. You can bet I yelled.

Does yelling in this context actually do anything or just allow you to blow off steam because you are (perhaps rightfully) irritated? Like if a ref has a poor site line and no side refs, does yelling about off sides at them serve any purpose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m both a parent and a NCSL coach, and have reffed in the past. A few thoughts.

- The field is often loud, the distances can be far, and you’re not allowed to enter the field to get close to the ref. You often have to yell to communicate.

- Yelling about calls happens in virtually every sport, at every level. Ever watch a basketball or football game?

- I never yell about throw ins. That’s stupid.

-Yelling should be about a call, and should never include personal attacks.

- Refs miss things all the time, or are unsure. They’re human, and others often have angles the ref doesn’t have. If they see a shot in the box and it hits off an arm, but they’re not sure whose arm, if one coach is yelling for a handball and the other is not, that can influence them.

- Especially at uLittle, I can’t count how many times a ref does not know or apply the rules correctly. Build out line is always the worst, but I have had refs forget there is no offside before the build out line (and call it just past midfield), forget keepers can’t punt, not stop the game after the ball hit someone in the head, etc.

- I’ve also seen some biased behavior (intentional or otherwise), and am going to call it out. One ref at uLittle was letting one team retake bad throws, but their opponent had to turn the ball over every time it happened to them. I had a game the other day where there were multiple handballs in the box by one team, with the ball hitting a defenders forearm which was above their shoulder in each case. Never called. End of game, a midfielder passes back to my defender in our own box. Defender goes to play the ball, it hits a bump in the grass and caroms off the top of her foot into her bicep, which is at maybe a ten degree angle to her torso (ie a natural one). PK that tied the game. You can bet I yelled.

Let the coach deal with all of that. That's their job, not yours.

[Anonymous]

I'm also a former coach, current parent and ref...and yes, yelling can influence my calls. As a parent, I often yell out to refs when they don't follow the laws, so they don't do it again. For example, lots of refs don't get the drop balls right or they don't card for not respecting the distance or delaying the game or stopping a promising attack or not realizing it was "last defender" etc etc.. Just planting seeds.

[Anonymous]

It’s not a logical analysis where they hope to get some benefit. It’s bad behavior. Never appropriate to yell at someone who is just doing there job. It’s embarrassing to your kids and other parents cringe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t get it. Are the parents/players/coaches hoping to notify the ref of a rule they may be unaware of? Hoping the ref becomes more lenient to your team on future calls? Trying to distract them from reffing the game? Just generally need a target to take out frustration?

I watch people shouting at refs and I seriously don’t understand what good they can think might possibly come of it. I feel like I’m missing something here.

this is the stupidest question i've read on these boards and that's saying something

[Anonymous]

Who are these yelling parents posting under the guise of being a ref? 😂

[Anonymous]

It's very simple. People yell at refs because they have toddler-level self control and maturity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I honestly don’t get it. Are the parents/players/coaches hoping to notify the ref of a rule they may be unaware of? Hoping the ref becomes more lenient to your team on future calls? Trying to distract them from reffing the game? Just generally need a target to take out frustration?

I watch people shouting at refs and I seriously don’t understand what good they can think might possibly come of it. I feel like I’m missing something here.

this is the stupidest question i've read on these boards and that's saying something

The yeller at refs has entered the thread!

[Anonymous]

Agree with the poster saying it is excusable when you see safety becoming an issue. The number one job of a youth ref is to protect the players. My son has received two yellow cards for talking back to a ref. Both times were speaking up for his teammates who were on the receiving end of hard, dirty fouls with no consequence. While his choice of words may not have been the best, I had no issue with him speaking up to defend his teammates' safety. A missed offsides or line call is not something to yell about from the stands or the pitch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Agree with the poster saying it is excusable when you see safety becoming an issue. The number one job of a youth ref is to protect the players. My son has received two yellow cards for talking back to a ref. Both times were speaking up for his teammates who were on the receiving end of hard, dirty fouls with no consequence. While his choice of words may not have been the best, I had no issue with him speaking up to defend his teammates' safety. A missed offsides or line call is not something to yell about from the stands or the pitch.

It's not excusable.
Again, if safetly is an issue, the coach should complain, not you.
99% of parents that are complaining about "safety issues" are the same ones that yell "let then play" when they're kid makes the hard foul that the ref whistles.

[Anonymous]

My son is a ref. He said that people yelling at him does not influence his calls, but that one time, at halftime, a parent talked to him calmly and said he felt my son was failing to call fouls on smaller players and only calling them on bigger ones. Since the guy was calm, my son listened and agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My son is a ref. He said that people yelling at him does not influence his calls, but that one time, at halftime, a parent talked to him calmly and said he felt my son was failing to call fouls on smaller players and only calling them on bigger ones. Since the guy was calm, my son listened and agreed.

It is so beyond inapproproate for a parent to approach a ref before, during or after a game, unless it's to say good job.
Don't do this under any circumstance.

[Anonymous]

So they know when they made a bad call

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some refs will get intimidated and side with the coach that yells the loudest.

Yes and that means your kids team may win a match that you will not even remember in three week. Look back I do not remember the score of more than 2-3 games. I remember a few cool plays but that it. These games are meaningless. At u16 no one remembers the u10-u14 seasons.