TO in ED at WashU or Vanderbilt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

If they wanted the super-intellectual vibe they should have gone T10/ivy or uChic which is “t10” most years(until Brown came in there..). Vandy has plenty of smart kids and is more intellectual than UVA and ucla and Gtown too , but not quite the intellectual vibe of the T10ish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a lot got in TO at Vanderbilt this year

Every year. Close to 50%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

If they wanted the super-intellectual vibe they should have gone T10/ivy or uChic which is “t10” most years(until Brown came in there..). Vandy has plenty of smart kids and is more intellectual than UVA and ucla and Gtown too , but not quite the intellectual vibe of the T10ish.

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Vandy is the “fun” and social T20….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

The only thing you are disagreeing with the PP about is the relative brightness of other students encountered by your child. And the PP even said the problem was that their kid wasn’t picking the right classes, dorms, and clubs.

This is what happens at any school where half of students are admitted TO. The high-scoring kids cluster together in certain majors/clubs/dorms, leaving other groups with quite low average scores. The result is an uneven experience: some bright kids find their peer group, and others don’t.

[Anonymous]

Question: Curious if anyone had success test optional to Vandy or WashU in ED1 or ED2 this past year?
If so, profile/stats?

Answers: Vanderbilt not-that-smart students, Vandy students are smart. no they aren’t. Yes, they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

The only thing you are disagreeing with the PP about is the relative brightness of other students encountered by your child. And the PP even said the problem was that their kid wasn’t picking the right classes, dorms, and clubs.

This is what happens at any school where half of students are admitted TO. The high-scoring kids cluster together in certain majors/clubs/dorms, leaving other groups with quite low average scores. The result is an uneven experience: some bright kids find their
peer group, and others don’t.

What a gross response. Kids who score higher are not more intellectually curious or bright. They have an aptitude for those kinds of multiple choice questions. Says nothing about creativity or writing with nuance. I wasn’t a great test taker. Was Phi Beta Kappa, graduated top of class and went to Ivy law school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

The only thing you are disagreeing with the PP about is the relative brightness of other students encountered by your child. And the PP even said the problem was that their kid wasn’t picking the right classes, dorms, and clubs.

This is what happens at any school where half of students are admitted TO. The high-scoring kids cluster together in certain majors/clubs/dorms, leaving other groups with quite low average scores. The result is an uneven experience: some bright kids find their peer group, and others don’t.

"leaving other groups with quite low average scores"....do you get that kids are being told to not submit scores under 1500 or sometimes 1550? So you have kids who score in the 98th or 99th percentile--not exactly "low scores" who are applying TO. It's an absurd system that has been created. I'm guessing that the average score for schools like Wash U and Vandy is in the low 1400s...sure, lower than the kids with the reported scores but these kids undoubtedly have something else going for them that made them stand out in the application pool.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

You just said a bunch of words that don't negate what I (PP) said about my kid's observation and assessment of so many of their peers. My kid, also an upperclassman, would agree there are a lot of hardworking students and many good to great professors at Vanderbilt. They would also agree with you that Vanderbilt offers new & expensive places to sleep and the usual array of clubs you'd find at every $90k/yr school.

Our kids will have agree to disagree about the intellectual atmosphere though. Letting in half of your student body test optional, as Vandy has done for years now, has consequences. Ask MIT and Yale.

If the school remains committed to this nonsense, then OP's kid might as well seize the opportunity to join the burgeoning TO cohort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

The only thing you are disagreeing with the PP about is the relative brightness of other students encountered by your child. And the PP even said the problem was that their kid wasn’t picking the right classes, dorms, and clubs.

This is what happens at any school where half of students are admitted TO. The high-scoring kids cluster together in certain majors/clubs/dorms, leaving other groups with quite low average scores. The result is an uneven experience: some bright kids find their
peer group, and others don’t.

What a gross response. Kids who score higher are not more intellectually curious or bright. They have an aptitude for those kinds of multiple choice questions. Says nothing about creativity or writing with nuance. I wasn’t a great test taker. Was Phi Beta Kappa, graduated top of class and went to Ivy law school.

Well, if you went to an Ivy Law School, you must have done pretty well on the LSAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid is current Vanderbilt student and reports that they are surrounded by not-that-smart students for some reason. Kid is not in engineering or pre-med.

So, a good strategy might be to apply TO with an inflated 4.5w and a bunch of ECs that are available for purchase. This seems to be a winning formula for the time being. Don't submit that score because the school is looking for super high scores from the low percent who do submit scores. Doesn't mean they won't admit you, as kid's current experience demonstrates.

Could not disagree more with this

Because you’re a student there also experiencing the same class contributions, writing and interactions with fellow students as my kid? Do tell.

Kid is clearly not picking the right classes, dorms and clubs. Most of their peers aren’t as bright or interesting as their high school cohort. Big letdown tbh

Bc my kid is having a vastly different experience than yours. Two students do not a study make. Mine is an upperclassman who tells us their peers are extremely bright, hard working students. Fantastic academic environment. Raves about professors. Opportunities abound. Socially found a variety of interests and sports. Brand new residential colleges are transforming the campus.

The only thing you are disagreeing with the PP about is the relative brightness of other students encountered by your child. And the PP even said the problem was that their kid wasn’t picking the right classes, dorms, and clubs.

This is what happens at any school where half of students are admitted TO. The high-scoring kids cluster together in certain majors/clubs/dorms, leaving other groups with quite low average scores. The result is an uneven experience: some bright kids find their
peer group, and others don’t.

What a gross response. Kids who score higher are not more intellectually curious or bright. They have an aptitude for those kinds of multiple choice questions. Says nothing about creativity or writing with nuance. I wasn’t a great test taker. Was Phi Beta Kappa, graduated top of class and went to Ivy law school.

Well, if you went to an Ivy Law School, you must have done pretty well on the LSAT.

Not on par with my grades and class standing. Top 3 percent

[Anonymous]

I’m sure many like it, but my kids and their friends were turned off by the Greek life at Vandy.

[Anonymous]

Know someone who got into Vandy ED two years ago with a 31 and fairly run-of-the-mill ECs. Not TO. Full pay, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Know someone who got into Vandy ED two years ago with a 31 and fairly run-of-the-mill ECs. Not TO. Full pay, though.

In 2021-2022 cycle? Yes, that was a different time.