Loiederman MS Magnet Program vs Tilden MS

[Anonymous]

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/0209/0

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/ReportCards/ReportCardSchool/1/E/1/15/0653/0

Check out Lakewood ES (66% Math proficient) and Stone Mill ES (72% Math proficient) that were talked about in another thread being "too many Asians", "too much academic pressure", "one out of every three homes has a doctorate, jd, etc"

[Anonymous]

But seriously, why would someone worry about ELA and Math scores when this school is clearly an Art/Theatre magnet?!

In the school website for its magnet program, it said "Our goal is for all of our students to become proud consumers and advocates of the arts. We truly believe that every student is an artist at Loiederman."

People, the goal of the school program is not about Math and ELA scores!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

Academics are fine. Friends will really depend on your child but remember most will not be close, so it's driving back and forth to Loiederman plus after school/evening and weekends.

They have central bus stops now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

Academics are fine. Friends will really depend on your child but remember most will not be close, so it's driving back and forth to Loiederman plus after school/evening and weekends.

They have central bus stops now.

That's good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But seriously, why would someone worry about ELA and Math scores when this school is clearly an Art/Theatre magnet?!

In the school website for its magnet program, it said "Our goal is for all of our students to become proud consumers and advocates of the arts. We truly believe that every student is an artist at Loiederman."

People, the goal of the school program is not about Math and ELA scores!

It's a magnet in title only. It's not a magnet in terms of skill level of students. It just has kids who enjoy the arts or forced to go there as their home school and they didn't get the lottery into the school they wanted.

[Anonymous]

Why is there so much Loiederman hate? Is it not white enough?

[Anonymous]

Not worth the commute IMO unless your kid is interested in theater. Even then I'd be on the fence due to commute issues. I'm in the DCC and sent my kid to a mediocre MS, so I am not a Loiderman "hater, " just not sure it is worth the commute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

OP here. I also have a child at Tilden. I am not too impressed by the academics there. They follow standard MCPS curriculum. It’s basic.

NP. Loiderman also follows standard MCPS curriculum. By letting incoming magnet 6th graders take higher classes, what they are really doing is putting them in classes with older students. The majority of my daughter's classes had 8th grade students. While some middle schools may also have a mix of grade levels, our home school for example, would primarily have a class of 6th graders above grade level, with a few 7th graders mixed in. At Loiderman it was 80% 8th graders (non-magnet), 15% 7th graders, and 5% 6th graders. There are not enough above grade level 6th graders that can easily fit into one class. Why does it matter? Perhaps it doesn't for your kid. My daughter was a very young looking 6th grader. She was treated poorly by older students, based on her size and being new. Teachers did nothing to help, and acknowledge that's it's a rough group. I volunteered and I was shocked to see how some kids treat teachers and parents. I'm not naive or easily surprised.

We pulled her and went back to our home school (which I'm not going to name, since DCUM loves to hate on our cluster). Middle school is hard, and Loiderman made it harder.

FWIW, we are mixed family, so this isn't about race or ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not worth the commute IMO unless your kid is interested in theater. Even then I'd be on the fence due to commute issues. I'm in the DCC and sent my kid to a mediocre MS, so I am not a Loiderman "hater, " just not sure it is worth the commute.

Is the bus ride too long?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

OP here. I also have a child at Tilden. I am not too impressed by the academics there. They follow standard MCPS curriculum. It’s basic.

NP. Loiderman also follows standard MCPS curriculum. By letting incoming magnet 6th graders take higher classes, what they are really doing is putting them in classes with older students. The majority of my daughter's classes had 8th grade students. While some middle schools may also have a mix of grade levels, our home school for example, would primarily have a class of 6th graders above grade level, with a few 7th graders mixed in. At Loiderman it was 80% 8th graders (non-magnet), 15% 7th graders, and 5% 6th graders. There are not enough above grade level 6th graders that can easily fit into one class. Why does it matter? Perhaps it doesn't for your kid. My daughter was a very young looking 6th grader. She was treated poorly by older students, based on her size and being new. Teachers did nothing to help, and acknowledge that's it's a rough group. I volunteered and I was shocked to see how some kids treat teachers and parents. I'm not naive or easily surprised.

We pulled her and went back to our home school (which I'm not going to name, since DCUM loves to hate on our cluster). Middle school is hard, and Loiderman made it harder.

FWIW, we are mixed family, so this isn't about race or ethnicity.

Its only math they allow accelerated in less they changed it and when we did it, the bulk of the class was the same grade. It's pretty common in all schools that the kids are disrespectful. Its a parenting issue, though teachers should correct it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

OP here. I also have a child at Tilden. I am not too impressed by the academics there. They follow standard MCPS curriculum. It’s basic.

NP. Loiderman also follows standard MCPS curriculum. By letting incoming magnet 6th graders take higher classes, what they are really doing is putting them in classes with older students. The majority of my daughter's classes had 8th grade students. While some middle schools may also have a mix of grade levels, our home school for example, would primarily have a class of 6th graders above grade level, with a few 7th graders mixed in. At Loiderman it was 80% 8th graders (non-magnet), 15% 7th graders, and 5% 6th graders. There are not enough above grade level 6th graders that can easily fit into one class. Why does it matter? Perhaps it doesn't for your kid. My daughter was a very young looking 6th grader. She was treated poorly by older students, based on her size and being new. Teachers did nothing to help, and acknowledge that's it's a rough group. I volunteered and I was shocked to see how some kids treat teachers and parents. I'm not naive or easily surprised.

We pulled her and went back to our home school (which I'm not going to name, since DCUM loves to hate on our cluster). Middle school is hard, and Loiderman made it harder.

FWIW, we are mixed family, so this isn't about race or ethnicity.

Its only math they allow accelerated in less they changed it and when we did it, the bulk of the class was the same grade. It's pretty common in all schools that the kids are disrespectful. Its a parenting issue, though teachers should correct it.

I'm not the PP, but they are describing a real challenge. In most schools, there are enough kids in accelerated math to make more-or-less single grade classes. Not always, and not if a kid has a unique elective, but in general. But at a school that is bimodal like LMS, you do end up with 6th graders in class with 7th and 8th graders for math sometimes. The good news is, though, that those same kids are mostly with their high performing peers for 7th and 8th grade math.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Not worth the commute IMO unless your kid is interested in theater. Even then I'd be on the fence due to commute issues. I'm in the DCC and sent my kid to a mediocre MS, so I am not a Loiderman "hater, " just not sure it is worth the commute.

Tilden has a robust chorus and drama program. Seems like Loiederman benefit for you would just be one more elective option with a block schedule and a longer commute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

OP here. I also have a child at Tilden. I am not too impressed by the academics there. They follow standard MCPS curriculum. It’s basic.

NP. Loiderman also follows standard MCPS curriculum. By letting incoming magnet 6th graders take higher classes, what they are really doing is putting them in classes with older students. The majority of my daughter's classes had 8th grade students. While some middle schools may also have a mix of grade levels, our home school for example, would primarily have a class of 6th graders above grade level, with a few 7th graders mixed in. At Loiderman it was 80% 8th graders (non-magnet), 15% 7th graders, and 5% 6th graders. There are not enough above grade level 6th graders that can easily fit into one class. Why does it matter? Perhaps it doesn't for your kid. My daughter was a very young looking 6th grader. She was treated poorly by older students, based on her size and being new. Teachers did nothing to help, and acknowledge that's it's a rough group. I volunteered and I was shocked to see how some kids treat teachers and parents. I'm not naive or easily surprised.

We pulled her and went back to our home school (which I'm not going to name, since DCUM loves to hate on our cluster). Middle school is hard, and Loiderman made it harder.

FWIW, we are mixed family, so this isn't about race or ethnicity.

Its only math they allow accelerated in less they changed it and when we did it, the bulk of the class was the same grade. It's pretty common in all schools that the kids are disrespectful. Its a parenting issue, though teachers should correct it.

Teachers should correct it? It's not a teacher's job to be a parent. It's a parent's job to be a parent. Seems many people forgot that having kids means you actually have to raise them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - my 5th grader was also offered a spot at Loiderman and her home school is Tilden. She’s interested in visual arts. I’m concerned about the academics at Loiderman as well as her making friends.

OP here. I also have a child at Tilden. I am not too impressed by the academics there. They follow standard MCPS curriculum. It’s basic.

NP. Loiderman also follows standard MCPS curriculum. By letting incoming magnet 6th graders take higher classes, what they are really doing is putting them in classes with older students. The majority of my daughter's classes had 8th grade students. While some middle schools may also have a mix of grade levels, our home school for example, would primarily have a class of 6th graders above grade level, with a few 7th graders mixed in. At Loiderman it was 80% 8th graders (non-magnet), 15% 7th graders, and 5% 6th graders. There are not enough above grade level 6th graders that can easily fit into one class. Why does it matter? Perhaps it doesn't for your kid. My daughter was a very young looking 6th grader. She was treated poorly by older students, based on her size and being new. Teachers did nothing to help, and acknowledge that's it's a rough group. I volunteered and I was shocked to see how some kids treat teachers and parents. I'm not naive or easily surprised.

We pulled her and went back to our home school (which I'm not going to name, since DCUM loves to hate on our cluster). Middle school is hard, and Loiderman made it harder.

FWIW, we are mixed family, so this isn't about race or ethnicity.

Its only math they allow accelerated in less they changed it and when we did it, the bulk of the class was the same grade. It's pretty common in all schools that the kids are disrespectful. Its a parenting issue, though teachers should correct it.

Teachers are unable to correct it. If teachers try to enforce discipline in their classrooms, they are not backed up by Admin. This is a problem in many MSs around MCPS. Kids are allowed to be incredibly disrespectful towards other students and towards teachers, without facing any negative consequences for their bad behavior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is there so much Loiederman hate? Is it not white enough?

Some of the arts teachers are terrible, kids out of control, but that’s at many schools. The band teacher was why we left. Stop being racist.