? HR complaint for hostile work envt

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

And you need to stop being ridiculous. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

[youtube]And you need to stop being ridiculous[/youtube]. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

STOP GIVING ADVICE. Do you really not understand that giving a negative reference or not hiring someone because they made a discrimination complaint is textbook retaliation. Go talk to your company's employment lawyers and they'll set you straight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

[youtube]And you need to stop being ridiculous[/youtube]. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

STOP GIVING ADVICE. Do you really not understand that giving a negative reference or not hiring someone because they made a discrimination complaint is textbook retaliation. Go talk to your company's employment lawyers and they'll set you straight.

Who said anything about a negative reference? Have you ever written a reference? You understand there are ways to get your point across? Or ways to avoid giving a reference altogether? And yes, last time I checked, companies and agencies can hire who they want, based on entirely objective information backed by evidence.

You're coming across as rigid and inflexible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

[youtube]And you need to stop being ridiculous[/youtube]. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

STOP GIVING ADVICE. Do you really not understand that giving a negative reference or not hiring someone because they made a discrimination complaint is textbook retaliation. Go talk to your company's employment lawyers and they'll set you straight.

Who said anything about a negative reference? Have you ever written a reference? You understand there are ways to get your point across? Or ways to avoid giving a reference altogether? And yes, last time I checked, companies and agencies can hire who they want, based on entirely objective information backed by evidence.

You're coming across as rigid and inflexible.

And you come across as a moron who knows nothing about employment law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

And you need to stop being ridiculous. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

It isn't retaliation when you see that this person is not a good fit for the organization and will be sh!t stirrer. No one needs that.

Student 3 needs to learn to use their words like grown up. Even in elementary school they teach kids to tell the bully to stop before running off to tell an adult.

This is be a great life lesson for Student 3.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

[youtube]And you need to stop being ridiculous[/youtube]. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

STOP GIVING ADVICE. Do you really not understand that giving a negative reference or not hiring someone because they made a discrimination complaint is textbook retaliation. Go talk to your company's employment lawyers and they'll set you straight.

Who said anything about a negative reference? Have you ever written a reference? You understand there are ways to get your point across? Or ways to avoid giving a reference altogether? And yes, last time I checked, companies and agencies can hire who they want, based on entirely objective information backed by evidence.

You're coming across as rigid and inflexible.

And you come across as a moron who knows nothing about employment law.

The person complaining is not an employee. The company cannot be forced to hire them (unless you were involved, fair to assume you are DEI person at your company?).

Not hiring someone isn't retaliation. It is simplying going with another student or candidate.

[Anonymous]

Yes do the training. You shouldn't have laughed. In my supervisory training, we are told over and over again to never engage in baiting like this. We are also told we need to absolutely shut down and report conversations like this. Did you report it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop working with young people. Stop any form of socializing at work. Eff this work environment and eff this culture for giving children all this power.

Found the person who is upset their boss is much younger than them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Please do not give advice, ever. You just encouraged OP to retaliate against student 3 for making a discrimination claim. This is a clear violation of antidiscrimination laws. Someone making a discrimination claim, regardless of whether the claim is well founded, is protected against retaliation for making the claim. This is really basic shit.

No. Most people do this in such a way that there is absolutely no reason to suspect discrimination, PP. Managers and team leads are expected to support good employees and prevent the elevation of poor employees. Student 3 is young and made a mistake. This is entirely forgivable, but the senior manager shouldn't go out of their way to help out that student either, unless they made such excellent contributions that the good outweighs the bad!

And you need to stop being ridiculous. We should not enable petty, frivolous complaints like the one made by Student 3. There's enough stress in the workplace already. You're saying, anytime someone makes a complaint, everyone should fall over themselves to not give the appearance of retaliation? Snort.

It isn't retaliation when you see that this person is not a good fit for the organization and will be sh!t stirrer. No one needs that.

Student 3 needs to learn to use their words like grown up. Even in elementary school they teach kids to tell the bully to stop before running off to tell an adult.

This is be a great life lesson for Student 3.

The workplace isn’t school. And if a student is too afraid to tell a bully off, they should absolutely go to an adult.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Senior leader should be a, you know, leader and not laugh at students' racist jokes.

This.

Must do poker face not play along. Young adult who said: "Oh I bet the Prof was Blah Blah profile" needed to have been talked to.

High school teachers are already doing this, stopping the stereotype bully talk in class. Kid do it on purpose to shut down the topic or conversation or debate. They get reported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Say a senior leader ran a research group that took in college students for training. The students are paid a stipend. On the end of the program, senior leader takes everyone out for a simple lunch at a nearby restaurant. During the conversation while seated, Student 1 (say 1 is a federally recognized race) tells the story of a former faculty who really made life hell for her in almost abusive conditions as an assistant. Student 2 (2 is another federally recognized race) remarks "I dont want to be racist but I bet that faculty is race 2" then laughs and everyone laughs. Senior leader laughed with them to be polite.

Weeks pass, and apparently Student 3 from a different race then 1 or 2, reports the group to HR for hostile work environment. Note that Student 2 made fun of own race, not student 1 or 3's race.

If senior leader agrees to dei training, will this all just go away?! Any way to fight this?

Student 2 sounds like a bonafide racist and idiot. And thinks her (and face it, this has got to be a girl) preface absolves her of making BS comments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

This is retaliation. And it runs counter to most Corporate Ethics Policy. Terrible advice, and don't ever manage or lead anyone PP

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think Student 3 should reflect on whether reporting this to HR was an appropriate/proportionate response to this situation. Another option for Student 3 would have been to address it with the group at the time, if Student 3 felt uncomfortable.

lol. reprimand someone for race and political comments at a marketing survey lunch after everyone there, including a supervisor laughed at the racist joke?! yeah, could do that. and then report any retaliation instead.

this doesn't sound like a repeat game or work group so could have worked but takes major guts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This reeks of trolling. There's no such thing as a "federally recognized race" for Title VII purposes.

I assume they meant it's one of the 8+ boxes to check on your race. Don't most of us put Multiracial by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Depends on the culture at your workplace: I would try to persuade HR that this was not a racist incident. I would also remove student 3 from any hiring consideration, and not give them a good reference (diplomatically, of course). We need fewer idiots in the workplace.

Most would remove Student 2. I guess if the org is a leftist, super liberal place Student 2 would fit right in, stifling everyone into her group think she was spoonfed from her parents and liberal schooling.