Bio-banding rule to plays kids down

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's actually a very good idea.

The problem with bio-banding is that it doesn't work with parents who are conditioned to think the results of a youth soccer game somehow change the world.

What bio-banding does is provide a mechanism for the opposite of a player that is so good that they play up.

The theory is that kids mature at different rates. Some mature early and some mature late. If you're playing for wins at an early age the players that mature first will have an advantage. Because of this the players that mature later get discouraged and quit. If this is allowed to play out you end up with teams made up of kids that are 5'1" at 18 years old. If you let some of the late maturing players play down they won't get discouraged and at 18 you'll have a team of players with mixed sizes.

Kids who are big and tall at 18 were also big and tall at 13.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks

I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.

This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.

LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!

Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's actually a very good idea.

The problem with bio-banding is that it doesn't work with parents who are conditioned to think the results of a youth soccer game somehow change the world.

What bio-banding does is provide a mechanism for the opposite of a player that is so good that they play up.

The theory is that kids mature at different rates. Some mature early and some mature late. If you're playing for wins at an early age the players that mature first will have an advantage. Because of this the players that mature later get discouraged and quit. If this is allowed to play out you end up with teams made up of kids that are 5'1" at 18 years old. If you let some of the late maturing players play down they won't get discouraged and at 18 you'll have a team of players with mixed sizes.

Kids who are big and tall at 18 were also big and tall at 13.

Is this why MLS Next allows 3 players per team to play down. Specificly to accommodate players that develop later.

Soon dumb...

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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks

I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.

This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.

LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!

Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.

If you said that about European academies fine.

What you've said and continue to to say about NWSLNest is not knowledge, it is speculation.

[Anonymous]

My kid is not sporty at all but he’s huge. Bio-banding would be pointless for him. Does size really correlate with skill?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is not sporty at all but he’s huge. Bio-banding would be pointless for him. Does size really correlate with skill?

Does DCUM offer bio-banding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a dumb idea impossible to police.

Says only a person completely ignorant of Relative Age Effect and its impact on youth sports.
But yet chooses to speak loudly in public.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bio-banding is a method by which players are grouped together based on their maturity and biological age rather than their birth year.

My understanding is that MLSN clubs use it? Which clubs? Do ECNL clubs use it as well?
What age does that start?
If you could please share any experience.
I’m sure some December birthday kids would benefit from that.
Thanks

I got this from another post:
MLS Next rules allow for 3 over-age players per team. It is called the "late developers" rule in MLS Next but is also referred to as bio-banding. The idea is to allow smaller kids who are late to puberty to play a year down until they catch up. At these years, there is a huge variability in height and weight and the rule is designed to encourage late developers to stick with the game. But, Bethesda abuses the rule for a competitive advantage by playing larger faster kids down.

Bethesda is misusing the bioband rule in the 2010 age group but using it correctly in the 2011 group. There was one, now two kids who technically skilled but very small. Not sure if the different usages are coincidence, difference in coaching, or what. But it's a shame to see them basically cheat in the 2010 age group.

If you're one of the Bethesda 2009 /10 parents, your kid is not physically delayed. They are being used to gain a competitive advantage. Look at the 2010/11 kid who bio-banded on Bethesda. Or, the one kid bio-banding with DCU. Both tiny and extremely skilled. That's the type of kids the program was designed for....not a 5'6" tall 15 year old who would be average sized in his own age group.

This is not at all on the girls side. I doubt it would be in the future.

When NWSL Next is implemented bio banding very much will come to the women's game. There's early and late developers in the Women's game but it's not as noticeable because at puberty girls don't get the rush of testosterone that boys do.

However what biobanding does do is keep parents from focusing on age groups and wins/losses. Because players can be switched out/in at will who can directly affect the outcome results don't matter. It all becomes about player development which ideally lands you on the pro team.

LOL!!! Not only is NWSLNext a certainty but this simp also knows the league policies before the league is even announced!!!

Iits not hard to understand how every Academy system around the world functions.

When NWSL implements Acadamies they're going to run them just like everyone else.

Not magic. It's called knowledge.

If you said that about European academies fine.

What you've said and continue to to say about NWSLNest is not knowledge, it is speculation.

Bio-banding is being applied on a broad scale in European youth soccer. Especially countries like Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands.
Players like Kevin De Bruyne are current beneficiaries.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a kid who isn't good enough to play with his own age should probably be playing rec.

Bio banding isn't only about giving worse players an option so they can play competitively and get better. It's also a way to force of age players into situations where they're playing up.

The other big benefits are it makes it easier for clubs to field teams and it makes parents focus less on individual games and more on overall development.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid is not sporty at all but he’s huge. Bio-banding would be pointless for him. Does size really correlate with skill?

How does a kid big for his age enter the bio banding eligibility discussion?

[Anonymous]

Once you understand how Acadamies work and concepts like bio banding, homegrown rules, and transfer fees. It explains why you rarely see boys parents engaging in the back and forth online. This is because clubs don't collect talent at defined age groups. If a player is really good they play up. If they're really really good they play on the Academy team. If they're really really really good they play professionally. Weekly wins or losses mean less when rosters change all the time. You end up with less me vs them situations because the end goal for everyone involved it to play professionally.

Once NSWL implements Acadamies and an Academy leauge (NWSL Next) you'll see the same type of thing happen to girls parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:ADHD kids are emotionally one to two years younger than their peers so seems like half of the DMV would be able to do this.

It's not about playing youth Jeopardy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a kid who isn't good enough to play with his own age should probably be playing rec.

Bio banding isn't only about giving worse players an option so they can play competitively and get better. It's also a way to force of age players into situations where they're playing up.

The other big benefits are it makes it easier for clubs to field teams and it makes parents focus less on individual games and more on overall development.

Bio-banding has absolutely nothing to do with kids playing up.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with kids having lesser skills or soccer IQ playing down.

It is 100% about late physical developers primarily born in the last two quarters of the calendar year. Especially the last quarter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like a kid who isn't good enough to play with his own age should probably be playing rec.

This is a bio-banding discussion.
Good enough is irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like a kid who isn't good enough to play with his own age should probably be playing rec.

Bio banding isn't only about giving worse players an option so they can play competitively and get better. It's also a way to force of age players into situations where they're playing up.

The other big benefits are it makes it easier for clubs to field teams and it makes parents focus less on individual games and more on overall development.

Bio-banding has absolutely nothing to do with kids playing up.
It also has absolutely nothing to do with kids having lesser skills or soccer IQ playing down.

It is 100% about late physical developers primarily born in the last two quarters of the calendar year. Especially the last quarter.

It depends on the age and the club.

Everyone has their own reasons for xyz.

The net effect on parents is the same.