DC's Population is Growing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite all of the naysayers on this blog, DC continues to grow. People love to talk about the demise of DC and real estate, crime, people are hiding in their houses, not walking their dogs, TERRIFIED, blah, blah, blah.... but....

D.C.’s population is growing faster than the suburbs. A new study shows that the city’s population has grown 1.2% over the past three years to 678,972. Mayor Bowser’s five-year “comeback plan” hopes to have the city at 750,000 by 2028. [Axios]

Did you click on the link in the Axios story, the one from the DC Policy Center that said "this growth was primarily driven by international migration and, to a lesser extent, fewer deaths than in past years"? For the growth to be considered healthy, it needs to be from domestic migration. "As in previous years, the District experienced net domestic out-migration—that is, more people moved out of the District than moved in from other U.S. states and territories."

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/chart-of-the-week-dc-population-growth-outpaced-inner-counties/

Why would this necessarily be the case for the capital of a global superpower? International in-migration doesn't seem inherently bad; no one down-thread is providing any evidence that most of this international migration involves undocumented migrants being bused here, either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be interested in seeing how the demographics shift - i.e. young and single staying or DINKs staying in the city vs. older folks and families moving out. Telework is really changing things now that people, especially parents and those with establish/senior jobs, don't need to commute as much, if at all.

Real estate wise, seems like there is plentiful housing for single or DINKs while there is less housing for families, plus real estate for families is currently seeming stagnant vs. the burbs. In Hill East, rowhouses are sitting in the market and dropping prices, in the burbs and exurbs, SFHs are in heated bidding wars, at least in the NOVA burbs where we are looking for a SFH for under $950k. Crime also looks to be at play here in some areas of the city where people felt comfortable buying a few years ago, and now are preferring to avoid.

"Hill East" is just rebranded Northeast DC. Which is why things are sitting on the market. NE is reverting to baseline, and no amount of white-and-blackified flipped houses with 5 round green shrubs in front can change the entrenched culture.

I'm the PP and if you want to talk about crime, ok. Hill East is half SE, the ward itself extends to Navy Yard, and SE is where more of the Hill East shootings occur as of late; you'd know this if you knew the area but clearly you don't. By "entrenched culture," sounds racist, frankly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would be interested in seeing how the demographics shift - i.e. young and single staying or DINKs staying in the city vs. older folks and families moving out. Telework is really changing things now that people, especially parents and those with establish/senior jobs, don't need to commute as much, if at all.

Real estate wise, seems like there is plentiful housing for single or DINKs while there is less housing for families, plus real estate for families is currently seeming stagnant vs. the burbs. In Hill East, rowhouses are sitting in the market and dropping prices, in the burbs and exurbs, SFHs are in heated bidding wars, at least in the NOVA burbs where we are looking for a SFH for under $950k. Crime also looks to be at play here in some areas of the city where people felt comfortable buying a few years ago, and now are preferring to avoid.

"Hill East" is just rebranded Northeast DC. Which is why things are sitting on the market. NE is reverting to baseline, and no amount of white-and-blackified flipped houses with 5 round green shrubs in front can change the entrenched culture.

Point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Would be interested in seeing how the demographics shift - i.e. young and single staying or DINKs staying in the city vs. older folks and families moving out. Telework is really changing things now that people, especially parents and those with establish/senior jobs, don't need to commute as much, if at all.

Real estate wise, seems like there is plentiful housing for single or DINKs while there is less housing for families, plus real estate for families is currently seeming stagnant vs. the burbs. In Hill East, rowhouses are sitting in the market and dropping prices, in the burbs and exurbs, SFHs are in heated bidding wars, at least in the NOVA burbs where we are looking for a SFH for under $950k. Crime also looks to be at play here in some areas of the city where people felt comfortable buying a few years ago, and now are preferring to avoid.

Since DC's per-pupil spending is about $25k per kid per year, a demographic shift would probably be good for the budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Despite all of the naysayers on this blog, DC continues to grow. People love to talk about the demise of DC and real estate, crime, people are hiding in their houses, not walking their dogs, TERRIFIED, blah, blah, blah.... but....

D.C.’s population is growing faster than the suburbs. A new study shows that the city’s population has grown 1.2% over the past three years to 678,972. Mayor Bowser’s five-year “comeback plan” hopes to have the city at 750,000 by 2028. [Axios]

When you have a big drop, as DC experienced from 2020 to 2022 (almost 20K in a jurisdiction with a population under 700K, or almost 3%), it's no surprise the modest rebound is also a larger percentage increase.

Aren't numbers fun?

[Anonymous]

Driven by "fewer deaths" than in past years? Lovely.

[Anonymous]

Thousands of illegal migrants and thousands of homeless relocated to Connecticut Avenues and, sha zam! Population “growth.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thousands of illegal migrants and thousands of homeless relocated to Connecticut Avenues and, sha zam! Population “growth.”

If they have relocated to Connecticut Avenue, they must be hiding somewhere, because I drive down and up the Avenue everyday.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thousands of illegal migrants and thousands of homeless relocated to Connecticut Avenues and, sha zam! Population “growth.”

If they have relocated to Connecticut Avenue, they must be hiding somewhere, because I drive down and up the Avenue everyday.

There are many voucher recipients (don't know their immigration or prior housing status) in the apartment buildings that line CT. Ave. Despite density bros rhetoric, there is no shortage of apartments in Ward 3 - many of which the DC government has repurposed as shelters basically. I am not sure how this would impact population as it is simply moving residents about, but I would guess DCs generous programs will attract more folks seeking them if word spreads? Or already has? Doubt the homeless produce a lot of paperwork providing long (or even short) residency history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite all of the naysayers on this blog, DC continues to grow. People love to talk about the demise of DC and real estate, crime, people are hiding in their houses, not walking their dogs, TERRIFIED, blah, blah, blah.... but....

D.C.’s population is growing faster than the suburbs. A new study shows that the city’s population has grown 1.2% over the past three years to 678,972. Mayor Bowser’s five-year “comeback plan” hopes to have the city at 750,000 by 2028. [Axios]

When you have a big drop, as DC experienced from 2020 to 2022 (almost 20K in a jurisdiction with a population under 700K, or almost 3%), it's no surprise the modest rebound is also a larger percentage increase.

Aren't numbers fun?

98% of statistics are made up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Despite all of the naysayers on this blog, DC continues to grow. People love to talk about the demise of DC and real estate, crime, people are hiding in their houses, not walking their dogs, TERRIFIED, blah, blah, blah.... but....

D.C.’s population is growing faster than the suburbs. A new study shows that the city’s population has grown 1.2% over the past three years to 678,972. Mayor Bowser’s five-year “comeback plan” hopes to have the city at 750,000 by 2028. [Axios]

When you have a big drop, as DC experienced from 2020 to 2022 (almost 20K in a jurisdiction with a population under 700K, or almost 3%), it's no surprise the modest rebound is also a larger percentage increase.

Aren't numbers fun?

98% of statistics are made up.

Nice.

In all seriousness, though, no one should put too much stock in these minor swings. The last census was a few years ago and the estimates in the interim years are based on surveys of a relatively small proportion of the population. Reports in outlets like Axios generally don’t mention the margins of error and deceive readers into thinking that we know exactly how many people lived in DC - and any other given city - last year when the reality is that the percentage changes from year to year could well be within the margin of error.

[Anonymous]

I have some swamp land to sell you op.

[Anonymous]

Because our social safety net is so strong, DC has become the go-to destination for those seeking to live free. Higher income people are leaving. It's unfortunate, but there is a downside to being the city with the broadest safety net.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because our social safety net is so strong, DC has become the go-to destination for those seeking to live free. Higher income people are leaving. It's unfortunate, but there is a downside to being the city with the broadest safety net.

“Equity for all!”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The growth could have come almost entirely from the busloads of migrants that were sent here. It's certainly not coming from people moving from other parts of the country to DC on purpose, because the city still is losing people in that direction.

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Ding ding ding.

Net tax base loss.

So what?

Immigrants need a place to live too! Why can’t it be DC?

We need to do more to fund services for the unfairly underprivileged District residents.