teacher dies from interaction in school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

It was a homicide. I'm sure the additional details will come out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

So you don’t understand what homicide means.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need to fund and staff schools appropriately. But that means taxing the wealthy, most of whom don't use the schools and so don't care about this problem.

Why target wealthy? Schools need to use their funding more appropriately. Some are well funded. Or, tax businesses more.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need to fund and staff schools appropriately. But that means taxing the wealthy, most of whom don't use the schools and so don't care about this problem.

Why target wealthy? Schools need to use their funding more appropriately. Some are well funded. Or, tax businesses more.

+1.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

If you’re shot standing up, you also fall.

If you read the article…
“The medical examiner's office told MySA Thursday that Jimenez's death was caused by blunt force head injuries and was ruled a homicide.”

[Anonymous]

I'm all for staff safety. But do not shuffle off special ed students to alternative learning environments--which also contain students who have been suspended for criminal conduct. This is a lousy environment for sped kids. Special ed kid need high security special ed environments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm all for staff safety. But do not shuffle off special ed students to alternative learning environments--which also contain students who have been suspended for criminal conduct. This is a lousy environment for sped kids. Special ed kid need high security special ed environments.

If a special ed student harms someone else, they should be suspended for criminal conduct. Assault is assault.

[Anonymous]

A homicide does not always mean a crime, people. The article says that the Union is not blaming the student for the incident but is focused on resource issues and the Texas governor’s refusal to provide adequate funding for training, staff etc.

A couple of thoughts I have are:

Having spent the last 8 years working with elders and now making the transition to working with kids at the YMCA in anticipation of teaching in the public schools this coming fall, I wonder how wise it is for a 70+ year old man to be working with students of high school age who have behavioral issues that very often escalate to pushing/shoving not because they are criminally minded but because they have an inability to control impulsivity, anxiety, anger etc.

It’s very easy for elder to lose balance and fall. I read a piece in the news about the Travis Kelce coach pushing incident at the Super Bowl where the coach admitted he nearly fell having lost his feet from under him. Older folks even when relatively fit begin to have balance issues and lose core strength that would help one maintain one’s position when bumped or shoved by a student and using the body blocking techniques we are taught to redirect such behaviorally challenged students. Once you lose balance and fall and the head impacts the floor, that can be deadly at any age - with zero intent by a child with ASD or some other diagnosis to have caused harm.

I’m 53, solid and strong and have no intention of working with high school sized kids who have serious behavioral issues. I’ll work with HS age kids who are NT and reasonably conforming in behavior, but at present it’s my intention to teach somewhere in the range of kindergarten to MS for the very reason that I have concerns about this kind of issue.

I’m not blaming the deceased teacher but I do think it’s important to bear in mind one’s limitations when choosing the student population one works with.

This is definitely not sounding anything like the incident in Florida where a teachers aide suffered a savage beat down from a very large student who lost his shit over his cellphone or gaming device.

But yes there are a lot of behaviors in school kids these days that I don’t recall seeing when I was in school decades ago - but much of what I’m seeing at the YMCA program I work is diagnosed issues either lead poisoning, ASD, or other organic issues that aren’t about kids just being bad - they’re suffering from disorders that compel them to act out and the older and bigger they are the more difficult and dangerous to manage.

What solution do others suggest?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

So you don’t understand what homicide means.

If the man fell while struggling with a child, they could point to the struggle as the cause of the fall and rule it a homicide. There's no reason to think he was pushed, though, based on what was released.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where does it say he died from an interaction? He hit the floor and sustained injuries. It says he worked with students with cognitive disabilities but nothing says a child did this to him.

"Jimenez was reportedly "attempting to redirect a student" when he fell to the floor and sustained a head injury that sent him to the hospital." Then later it says the fall was ruled a homicide. Read between the lines here. If he simply fell during the course of being at work and hit his head, it would not have been ruled a homicide. He died of blunt force trauma. What, do you think another staff member pushed him?

And yeah, this happened in a special ed self contained room. The students in that room deserve safety along with the staff, too. There needs to be special schools for violent students. I don't care if they have IEPs or not. Students who harm others do not belong in gen ed or sped rooms. Perhaps we can have schools for violent kids where they get all instruction online for the safety of the teachers. Then we can hire security guards or police officers to be in the rooms with these students.

It doesn't say he was pushed. It said he fell.

So you don’t understand what homicide

means.

If the man fell while struggling with a child, they could point to the struggle as the cause of the fall and rule it a homicide. There's no reason to think he was pushed, though, based on what was released.

So what your saying is, he wouldn’t have fallen, if not for having to deal with that kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We need more security and SRO's back in the schools.

This was in Texas where every school has SRO’s.

Another example that they are useless

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We need more security and SRO's back in the schools.

Did you bother to read what the "interaction" consisted of? He was trying to redirect a student, but fell and hit his head.

Is there video?

[Anonymous]

A large part of the problem is that many parents refuse to get treatment for their kids. They might be in a special,class, but that’s not enough. I have worked in special education for many years, and there are so many parents that don’t get help for their kids, or are in and out of family crises all the time. Public schools can’t force treatment, and are required to have kids in classes somewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A homicide does not always mean a crime, people.The article says that the Union is not blaming the student for the incident but is focused on resource issues and the Texas governor’s refusal to provide adequate funding for training, staff etc.

A couple of thoughts I have are:

Having spent the last 8 years working with elders and now making the transition to working with kids at the YMCA in anticipation of teaching in the public schools this coming fall, I wonder how wise it is for a 70+ year old man to be working with students of high school age who have behavioral issues that very often escalate to pushing/shoving not because they are criminally minded but because they have an inability to control impulsivity, anxiety, anger etc.

It’s very easy for elder to lose balance and fall. I read a piece in the news about the Travis Kelce coach pushing incident at the Super Bowl where the coach admitted he nearly fell having lost his feet from under him. Older folks even when relatively fit begin to have balance issues and lose core strength that would help one maintain one’s position when bumped or shoved by a student and using the body blocking techniques we are taught to redirect such behaviorally challenged students. Once you lose balance and fall and the head impacts the floor, that can be deadly at any age - with zero intent by a child with ASD or some other diagnosis to have caused harm.

I’m 53, solid and strong and have no intention of working with high school sized kids who have serious behavioral issues. I’ll work with HS age kids who are NT and reasonably conforming in behavior, but at present it’s my intention to teach somewhere in the range of kindergarten to MS for the very reason that I have concerns about this kind of issue.

I’m not blaming the deceased teacher but I do think it’s important to bear in mind one’s limitations when choosing the student population one works with.

This is definitely not sounding anything like the incident in Florida where a teachers aide suffered a savage beat down from a very large student who lost his shit over his cellphone or gaming device.

But yes there are a lot of behaviors in school kids these days that I don’t recall seeing when I was in school decades ago - but much of what I’m seeing at the YMCA program I work is diagnosed issues either lead poisoning, ASD, or other organic issues that aren’t about kids just being bad - they’re suffering from disorders that compel them to act out and the older and bigger they are the more difficult and dangerous to manage.

What solution do others suggest?

Yes, yes it does. If you mean it could be some form of reckless or negligent homicide, and not an intentional murder by the student, then fine. But it’s still a crime.