Haverford v. Swarthmore

[Anonymous]

Haverford is also an established feeder to PhD programs (Swat is #3 and Hav is #9): https://www.swarthmore.edu/institutional-effectiveness-research-assessment/doctorates-awarded

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Anonymous wrote:They do have a lot of similarities. ... I think the tininess of Haverford could be hard if you don’t find your people. It’s very diverse racially and has a lot of first gen students and its social justice reputation is real. Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.

Haverford, Swarthmore, and Bryn Mawr are among the few colleges still requiring covid vaccines for students. (Only 68 colleges nationwide currently have student covid vaccine mandates.) Haverford and Bryn Mawr require students to have a covid booster, Swarthmore requires some type of covid vaccine.

Interestingly, none of the three require covid vaccines for faculty or staff, only for students.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore has a stronger reputation - it makes a difference!

How?

Swarthmore is a well established feeder into top PhD programs. Haverford and Bryn Mawr are excellent schools, but Swarthmore is arguably the nation's top producer of PhDs across the disciplines per capita, and the intellectual rigor and academic expectations of both the students and faculty reflect that.

Haverford is also an established feeder to PhD programs (Swat is #3 and Hav is #9): https://www.swarthmore.edu/institutional-effe...t/doctorates-awarded

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.“

We’re registered Dems and it’s too much for us, too. I guess it’s very generational, but I also find that the more white the organization, the more likely there are these performative declarations. Will be visiting both next week.

There were many schools we visited that did this. I thought it was kind of silly since they weren't like we're giving any money or land back.

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Anonymous wrote:“Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.“

We’re registered Dems and it’s too much for us, too. I guess it’s very generational, but I also find that the more white the organization, the more likely there are these performative declarations. Will be visiting both next week.

There were many schools we visited that did this. I thought it was kind of silly since they weren't like we're giving any money or land back.

Agree. I'm sure the indigenous peoples being "acknowledged" find it hypocritical and absurd.

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore has a stronger reputation - it makes a difference!

This is just silly. Haverford and Swarthmore are both regarded VERY highly....among the very small percentage of the population that has ever heard of them.

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Anonymous wrote:They do have a lot of similarities. ... I think the tininess of Haverford could be hard if you don’t find your people. It’s very diverse racially and has a lot of first gen students and its social justice reputation is real. Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.

Haverford, Swarthmore, and Bryn Mawr are among the few colleges still requiring covid vaccines for students. (Only 68 colleges nationwide currently have student covid vaccine mandates.) Haverford and Bryn Mawr require students to have a covid booster, Swarthmore requires some type of covid vaccine.

Interestingly, none of the three require covid vaccines for faculty or staff, only for students.

What a random thing to know.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:“Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.“

We’re registered Dems and it’s too much for us, too. I guess it’s very generational, but I also find that the more white the organization, the more likely there are these performative declarations. Will be visiting both next week.

There were many schools we visited that did this. I thought it was kind of silly since they weren't like we're giving any money or land back.

Agree. I'm sure the indigenous peoples being "acknowledged" find it hypocritical and absurd.

It’s grotesque when people publicly exclaim, “Look at me, I’m white, smart, & well-off, but alas I feel oh so guilty about it.”

[Anonymous]

I mean for those of us for whom progressive values are important you just gotta accept it. My kid is Jewish and queer. I told her choose why people hate you.

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Anonymous wrote:Swarthmore is a much tougher admit so it can more hand select its students. It has been flexing its selectivity muscle to increase URMs, first gen etc. Only 32% of student body is domestic white students. Haverford is 49%. Lots more seats there if don’t fall into one of those categories…

Wanted to clarify: lots more seats where? Which categories? Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.“

We’re registered Dems and it’s too much for us, too. I guess it’s very generational, but I also find that the more white the organization, the more likely there are these performative declarations. Will be visiting both next week.

2 other schools that have the land acknowledgement in recent visits:

Michigan
Colorado State

All govt sponsored meetings in Australia (both parties) start with a land acknowledgement. It is totally a thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Last year when I toured with my kid it was the only school that started the tour with an acknowledgement of stolen land AND made us wear masks on the tour even while outside. To me it felt a bit much.“

We’re registered Dems and it’s too much for us, too. I guess it’s very generational, but I also find that the more white the organization, the more likely there are these performative declarations. Will be visiting both next week.

2 other schools that have the land acknowledgement in recent visits:

Michigan
Colorado State

All govt sponsored meetings in Australia (both parties) start with a land acknowledgement. It is totally a thing.

UVA stolen land plus slaves lived under this building. So performative. Obnoxious. Give it back then.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Besides Swarthmore being generally more well-known and a harder admit, they look similar in campus-feel and academic. Thoughts?

Haverford College is super woke (total waste of tuition dollars).

Swarthmore is very academic & intellectual.

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Woke and woker. Hard to tell which school hates Jews and Israel the most right now, but I think Haverford is currently in the ascendancy, given that a bunch of its Jewish students are suing the entire college for fostering an extremely anti-Semitic campus: https://www.inquirer.com/education/haverford-college-antisemitism-lawsuit-20240516.html

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Anonymous wrote:Besides Swarthmore being generally more well-known and a harder admit, they look similar in campus-feel and academic. Thoughts?

Haverford College is super woke (total waste of tuition dollars).

Swarthmore is very academic & intellectual.

They are very, very similar schools. Both are very lefty and intellectual.

Swarthmore is more of a grind and does attract a slightly more intense kid; Haverford is academic but more laid back. A bit of a different vibe but there are more similar than not and tons of kids apply to both.